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It matters because a 'divide' is coming short-term; those that will sign & buy a BEV, and those that will not. If the BEV segment ever gets up & gains any momentum market-share-wise, those that will buy BE are already looking to Tesla for one, not mercedes. You can get a faster, better looking, more technically advanced, better range... and a globally-recognized symbol in a Tesla. You're not getting that with the glassy-eyed slugs the handful of people are buying from mercedes. It's not the overall numbers, but the momentum. It took mercedes 100 years to get to 2.0m passenger vehicle sales/year. It took Tesla 10 (or 18) years to get to half that number. 936K last year. Based on Q1 number 2022 - Tesla is on pace for 1.2 million this year. Had it been mercedes that intro'd a viable, luxury-priced BEV 10 years ago and had led the field, they'd be in very good position. Longer-term, that may well balance out. Right now they're playing catch up. However, the cyber truck is a joke of a pickup; it's not going to be a volume leader, or even come close.

Why does it matter that Tesla sold more EV's than Mercedes, Porsche, GM, Ford, Toyota and Audi combined? EV's are not even 3% of global car sales, there is a lot of market space for other car companies to exploit, Tesla has 2 sedans and 2 crossovers. What about people that want a pickup, a van, a full size sedan/SUV, a compact car/suv, an off roader, a coupe, a convertible, etc. And these big OEMs, like Toyota, Ford, VW, GM probably each have 100-150 million current owners worldwide, huge customer bases to pull from, where as Tesla is basically having to always look for first time buyers to their brand, or pull from the maybe 4 million or so current Tesla owners out there. That Taycan outsold the Model S/X combined. So it is possible to beat Tesla, Porsche just did it right out of the gate. Let's see what happens when the Model 3 and Y get direct competition.

I’d have to dig through the old archives here but you were singing a different tune about brand recognition and subsequent customer loyalty not so long ago. The only thing that changed since then is that now Mercedes has dipped their toes into the EV pool. Just stop the bar moving and stop the damn excuses for once.

Are you drunk? That’s the only reason why I can see that you keep forgetting about supply chain issues for a lot of cars. The S was one of those which again, you would know if you ever bothered to look it up. Tell the whole story next time instead just half-assing your way through it. “Production of the Model S was down for most of the year as Tesla transitioned to an updated version amid the ongoing semiconductor shortage and didn't begin deliveries of the new version until June, while a new Model X just started rolling out to customers last week” Source: https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/electric-porsche-taycan-outselling-911-tesla-model-s.amp

Do you actually read what you post before you post it? Why does it matter so much to you that Tesla sells more EVs than Benz, that you have to dismiss that stat to promote a more pointless stat? Do you not see the blatant hypocrisy in your statement?

Thanks for confirming your apples to apples issue. BTW, it matters to everyone else except biased Mercedes Benz fans apparently. No room for objectivity. You’ve got German ass to kiss!

Focusing on the FACTS, Mercedes in a straight up Apple to Apple Comparison. Global EV Sales and here it is still not a true comparison as Mercedes reports their Hybrids mixed in with pure BEV. But using a 3rd party source for the numbers. 2021 (Full Year) Global: Mercedes-Benz and Smart Sales Worldwide by Region and Model - Car Sales Statistics (best-selling-cars.com) 2021 (Full Year) Global: Tesla Car Sales Worldwide - Car Sales Statistics (best-selling-cars.com) Mercedes-Benz Global Electric Vehicle Sales - 99,301 Electric Vehicles which includes all Hybrids, Plug-in Hybrids and BEV. Tesla Global Electric Vehicle Sales - 936,172 This is a 10 to 1 sales ratio! Tesla Sells 10 BEVs for every 1 Mercedes which is again a mix of Hybrid, Plugin Hybrid and BEV. Take this to a pure BEV to BEV Comparison QUOTE: 48,936 were Mercedes-EQ battery electric passenger cars (BEV) Tesla Sells 20 BEV for every 1 BEV from Mercedes. ?

It simply amazes me how you dance around the obvious because stating such things would contradict your opinions on it. Let me help you out. Here is what happened to the Mach E. Ford Mustang Mach-E Ford Mustang Mach-E sales in February amounted to 2,001, which is surprisingly 46.5% less than in February 2021. We hoped that the Mach-E would improve as the demand is high, but the company is clearly struggling on the production side. We heard that in February production was halted due to a lack of semiconductors, which means that the situation will not likely improve significantly in the near future. Nonetheless, the Ford Mustang Mach-E was responsible for 1.6% of the total Ford sales volume in the US. Next time, don’t assume. Use Google and know for a fact before making up fifty thousand excuses why Ford and GM can’t compete but somehow Benz can. Seriously faulty logic and lazy posting, quite honestly. See his above post and then apologize for not reading what he actually said instead of putting words in his mouth.

The Mach E is nearly $20k cheaper than the Model Y, which good for it, because the Model Y is over priced. But the Mach-E sales were down 47% in February while the Ford brand overall was down 20%. I don't know if that is supply chain or just buyers not showing up, but it is the 2nd worst selling Ford after the Transit Connect, and sales down twice as much as the rest of the brand. You'd think they would put their supply chain into the Mach-E over the Edge or Escape or something. Ford isn't pricing their EV like Tesla now, nor should they, even with the discount it isn't making a big dent. GM looks to be the one that could get it right if they are way under Tesla in Price, the Equinox EV is half the cost of a Model Y if GM can deliver on that, and I assume the Equinox won't be as good, but it doesn't have to be, it just have to be the best EV out there for $30k+ which right now there is pretty much wide open market space and the cost of most gas crossovers. AMG's are niche cars too. It is 10% of Mercedes volume. He stated the Riven was a league of it's own. If that's true, Rivian should be able to take out the F150. But we all know it won't because EV's are a tiny part of the market, and by the time the masses want EVs, or when 100% of vehicles are EV's, the F150 will be EV and do anything the Rivian does and probably at a lower cost with an actual dealer network.

Yup... This is the EXACT quote! The Rivian was not made to outsell the F150 nor the Silverado. The Rivian was not made to outsell any of the Teslas. The Rivian was not made to out luxury any Cadillac, Mercedes or to outperform speed metrics from Tesla, Ferrari etc. Rivian was not even made to out offroad any Hummer or an eventual EV Land Rover and EV Jeep. Rivian created a possibly new EV niche from an existing yet small niche of the lifestyle pick-up, SUV, hatchback Subaru internal combustion offering. That of the outdoorsy, bicycle riding, fishing in the wild rivers and lakes of North America, rock climbing in the Appalachians, skiing in the Rockies and in Aspen, lifestyle. The bow and arrow hunting, bungee jumping lycra wearing youtube influencing Tik Tokkers. How big of a pie that is is anybody's guess. But its an EV niche that belongs ALL to themselves as the Cybertruck from Tesla somehow is the same niche. Im bet though, Rivian R1T and their SUV counterpart will still outsell the Mercedes trio of EVs no matter how small that niche is... Mind you, this niche is an old niche. The Jeep CJ and Ford Bronco did that 60-70 years ago and its an on going thing, this time its from a green EV point of view. Mercedes could have done something like that and beat Rivian to the punch. They got existing ICEVs in their current stable... https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/vehicles/transporter/the-new-sprinter-4x4-new-options-offroad/ They were too busy trying to phone it in with a Nissan badge job with a gas powered engine... Mercedes lost precious time and EV engineering knowledge and conceded to many manufacturers in the EV era... Mercedes has NOTHING to offer to ANYBODY in the EV era... Just to blind peons that will cling on to the glory of the good 'ole days when Mercedes was product placing in Hollywood movie blockbusters suck as Jurassic Park. Soooooooo '90s. BTW, Im curious, you still watch F*R*I*E*N*D*S?

Level 3 autonomous is bogus. For everybody. EVERYBODY is PAYING OVER sticker EVERYWHERE With the Rivian, you sound like a child... Mercedes literally doesnt sell ANY EVs to the public worth mentioning. Mercedes is a lost cause for EVs...

Mercedes lacks in 2 key areas. 1. Style. And that is saying a lot. LOL 2. Tech. Mercedes is at least 10 years behind Tesla in software, motor and battery tech. Means nothing when Mercedes EV will be languishing on dealership floors. Once GM gets their EVs going, Mercedes will not stand a chance not only against Tesla, but GM too. LOL. Lucid will be cleaning Mercedes clock in 2024. LOL The Lucid Air is easily besting the EQS in EVERY metric. LOL You keep on saying that. But its simply not true. Not for EVs... Tesla is STILL considered THE benchmark in the who's who in automotive world. And nobody is impressed with Mercedes' EVs. Its sad when the automotive world still praise Tesla's EVs over Mercedes' offerings. But you know what? The Lucid Air, GMC Hummer, Ford Mach E and Rivian R1T all have made the automotive world giggle, raise eyebrows and actually envision a world where these offerings could not only co-exist with Tesla EVs, but actually take the crown AWAY from Tesla EVs in many categories. Even the Hyundai Ioniq 5 has managed to raise eyebrows and put the spotlight AWAY from the Tesla Model 3. No. Not in speed, but for excellent day to day EV livability with absolutely NO compromises as we have been accustomed to when we speak of Tesla EVs. Mercedes' offerings not only fall waaaaay short comparing them to Teslas, but Mercedes EQS falls short with the Lucid Air, the EQB falls waaaaay short of the Hummer and most probably the Cadillac Lyriq in shytes and giggles and status (Hummer) and the Lyriq for range, software, style... The Rivian is in a league of its own. There is virtually NOTHING that Mercedes will offer that will rival Rivian. Rivian created its own niche. Something that Mercedes flubbed. Following instead of leading. Ford Mach E begs to differ. Hummer which is as expensive as a Model S also begs to differ. But the Hummer is a Lamborghini Countach. A Ferrari Testarossa. Its a poster vehicle. Its to make people look and stare and say WTF is that in admiration. And the Hummer from GMC, like all other Hummers from the past, 20 years ago, has succeeded. NOBODY talks about current Mercedes EVs this way. In shock and in awe with glee. Just in shock as in how phoquing ugly are these things? All the youtube channels, the automotive press, the people I ask around me, all find the Lucid Air, GMC Hummer, Ford Mach E and Rivian R1T as interesting and great EVs. Some say the Hummer is overkill, but they understand why. Not one sumbitch even mentions the Mercedes EVs. Lost in the shuffle they are. Plenty of Quebecois I talk to have their sights on the Ioniq 5. Nobody even knows the EQE and the EQB exists... They ALL know the Rivian, Mach E and the Hummer. And they all have a very fun and positive response to them. Some car guys HATE the Mach E as they say its not a real Mustang. Problem is, for Mercedes, they KNOW its an EV and IT EXISTS... These are car guys, and they do NOT know that ANY Mercedes EQ exists... Chew on THAT for awhile...

I don't expect to see that sort of 'low-cowl' proportion to come back anytime soon. The now-mandatory high nose (pedestrian regulation) and uber-high deck (CAFE regulation) would make a 'worn soap' sedan look very bloated. Think mercedes EQS.

mercedes has ceded an entire decade to Tesla in the EV segment- a decade they may never earn back. And Tesla outsells mercedes in EVs about 21 to 1 right now.

Since @smk is adding the whole stable of Mercedes, then we might as well throw in all the EVs GM has been selling in China that Mercedes only recently had one to sell.

Mercedes has Level 3 autonomous driving, while Tesla does not. Consumer Reports also stated that buyers are paying $30-50k over sticker for the EQS, the dealer mark ups are pretty big on them and people are still buying. There is no sitting on lots. When does the Rivian outsell the F150? If it is so fantastic, it should become the #1 selling pickup in the USA.

Doesn't matter. They are both selling cars, the powertrain behind them is irrelevant. It is like saying Toyota sells more hybrids than Ford, it doesn't matter, what matters is how many cars are they selling and how much money are they making. EV's are 2.5% of the global car market. Tesla dominates 2.5% of the market and doesn't participate in the other 97.5%.

I don’t think a matter of months is that important. The Lyric goes on sale this spring, the EQS SUV this summer and they have EQB SUV later this year in the US (already on sale in Europe) and the EQE SUV which is the Lyric competition next year. That’s 5 EV’s within the next year, 3 are SUV, and more coming after that. Audi has 2 electric EV’s now plus sport back versions of both, if you can get one since their supply chain is way messed up. What matters is how fast these companies can bring new product and if they can actually keep their production line running.

Why not Mercedes? In 2024 they will have more EV models for sale than Tesla, and Mercedes has brand name too. Mercedes outsells Tesla 2 to 1 right now world wide. Tesla had $54 billion in revenue last year with $5.5 billion in profit. Mercedes-Benz had revenue of $185 billion and profit of $25 billion, although $13 billion of that is from splitting off the truck division. The problem GM and Ford have is you can't price a Chevy or Ford SUV against a Tesla, no one is paying Tesla money for a Chevrolet crossover, when current Chevy crossover sales are tanking, Buick sales down 58% in Q1, probably supply chain issues, but if there was demand for those, GM would allocate resources there, and they obviously didn't. Where the opportunity exists is the Tesla Model Y has a base price of $63k and the Model 3 at $47k. There are a lot of customers who want an electric car and can't afford $47k or $63k, there is a massive untapped market that GM can hit with their $30k EV-quinox and their maybe $45k Blazer EV. Lots of white space under $50k price point for EV's. Then the question is does GM take over this space, or does Toyota, Hyundai, Kia get in there and gain ground, or does a Chinese car company come in.

But that doesn't matter because there is no law (so far) that says you can't sell gasoline powered cars. Mercedes outsells Tesla overall, once Mercedes converts their line to EV, I would expect them to outsell them still. Tesla sold 24,390 Model S/X combined in 2021 (down 56%). Porsche sold 41,296 Taycan in 2021. First full year on market and they beat Tesla easily head to head. Q1 in 2022 Tesla sold 15k Model S/X, so if they can keep that pace up it gives them 60k, but that is a sedan and SUV, if Porsche adds an electric SUV, I am sure an SUV and Taycan combined can top 60,000 a year. And Mercedes can sell over 60k combined EQS sedan and SUV per year. And if they can beat the Model S/X, why can't they do the same against the 3/Y? They are going to have to build the Cybertruck, full size pickups are too big a market and there is a lot of profit margin in them. And secondly, off roader vehicles are hot right now, they can't build Wranglers, Broncos and 4Runners fast enough, and since that style vehicle is in demand, and there aren't 47 of them like there are FWD crossovers, there is good profit margin in them too. Cybertruck checks both boxes, full size truck segment and off road/overlander segment, it is just a no brainer.