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Very inspiring and the plane deserves to "live," as did all the passengers on it, so it's in a museum. That was a miracle and, sadly, not all calamities end that way. The only one I can think of that ended "favorably" for those on board was the Air France A 340 that landed at Toronto during severe weather and kept on hurtling to the end of the runway, went down the embankment next the the massive 401 expressway, burst into flames, and EVERYBODY made it out alive. Who can forget those events and watching the TV reports on them? What Happened To The Airbus A320 That Landed On The Hudson? (msn.com)

You sure know how to make a turd look Iike chocolate. You also assume it’s his favorite brand while acting like it’s some big damn accomplishment in getting the AMG One completed after SIX YEARS of “it’s going to be here” only to have be sold elsewhere because the best or nothing couldn’t get it to pass emissions. Just think about that for a second since you ignored literally everything else that he presented here as a fact.

It can't pass our emissions here and it probably doesn't make financial sense to build it, but they did it. A Formula 1 engine in a road car is probably the best piece of engineering ever for a road car. If anything it shows how Mercedes doesn't just do what the bean counters say makes sense, I applaud them for building it. And am waiting for someone to make a car faster around a track than it. Your favorite brand won't build a faster car.

https://fortune.com/2022/01/12/tesla-rivals-audi-bmw-mercedes-vw-cant-match-ev-volumes/ The dedicated EV brand Mercedes-EQ saw global volumes hit only roughly 49,000 cars for the full year. That's barely any better than Porsche's 41,000 from its sole EV model, the Taycan. BMW meanwhile achieved some 69,000 vehicles, by comparison. Perhaps the biggest disappointment came from Audi. Even though it sold more EVs than either of its two domestic rivals with nearly 82,000 vehicles delivered, it failed to keep pace with Tesla since volumes rose only 58%. Schmidt said the four German carmakers would be better served not trumpeting their growth rates lest they draw too much attention to the figures. “It’s nothing they should be shouting about really because their gains are coming from low levels, so you would expect to see a huge rise,” Schmidt said. “It’s a bit of a joke to me, really.” https://jalopnik.com/mercedes-sales-drop-as-supply-chain-issues-take-hold-1849163828 “Ongoing supply-chain problems could jeopardize Mercedes’s plan to cut back on entry-level vehicles in order to focus on higher-end cars that deliver bigger profits. Mercedes said a dearth of chips contributed to a 16% decline in sales for the top-end luxury category. “EV sales were a bright spot in Mercedes’s report, with its EQ sales nearly doubling to 23,500 units compared to the same period last year. The first half of the year saw the brand’s EV sales rising to 45,400 units. --------------------------------------------------------------------- the Lyriq by itself, has a buyers list and sold out with at least 23 000 units as compared to Mercedes' combined EV sales in the US of 23 000 units. But @smk4565 says that 23 000 units for Cadillac is not enough... Down vote this too @smk4565, you are only reinforcing my words to you that you are pathetic...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-11/mercedes-amg-considered-cancelling-its-f1-supercar-many-times-says-chief#xj4y7vzkg Mercedes-AMG Considered Cancelling Its F1 Supercar, Says Chief The nearly $2.4 million AMG ONE lost some buyers along the way. But after six years, it is finally about to hit the street. (Just not in America.)

The 300 000 dollar plus price tag and the thought of a bespoke everything, handcrafted halo vehicle that will be the Celestiq is what is greatly missing in Cadillac's showroom to showcase that Cadillac is truly in the business of making prestige vehicles. For far too long, Cadillac peddled the wrong car, the wrong price tag and in the wrong market niche to establish itself amongst the top premium brands. Cadillac made the decision to go down market and go after sales in the late '70s or early '80s and almost immediately bit them in the ass. They did eventually see the glaring error they made, and teased the world what Cadillac could be again, but for whatever reason, never executed on it. Several times in the last 20 years I might add. Finally, they got the cojones to not only do it but to do it right. 1. Not half-assed like the Allante, XLR, ELR before it. 2. 300 000 dollar plus price tag. 3. extremely customized and bespoke to the individual buyer 4. the vehicle itself being bespoke and not shared with any other Cadillac or GM product. 5. hand built to enhance exclusivity, prestige and specialness 6. high tech 7. great awareness and execution and focus on quality, fit and finish and luxury And to top it all off, in thee last decade, Cadillac made steps in the right direction to fix the image they had with their other cars. They built a cult following with their V cars. Which greatly made folk forget about the land barges of yore. But still kept that legacy alive with the absolute monster of an icon, the Escalade. But for the 21st century AD. And with the Lyriq and Celestiq, Cadillac's image is just building up steam to rise to the top. When the EV Escalade joins the fray, and the Escalade again, has a great platform to continue on, the HUMMER EV, and the electric V cars, to do battle with Porsche Taycans, Audi E-Tron GTs, Lucid Airs, and the benchmark Tesla Model S, Cadillac is finally on the right track. Any of that means nothing still, to the rise of Cadillac again, its just that the sky is that much more clear, blue and sunny for Cadillac. Lets just hope they dont fumble the ball again.

Benzinsider take on it though: Our Take We agree with most of the arguments presented by CNBC about Mercedes-Benz losing its prestige over the years because several of them have been manifesting within the brand already. Then again, it’s worth mentioning that the data offered from several sources were two or three years from the present, and since then, Mercedes has made big leaps in its marketing, particularly in its EV development. So far, the German automaker is enjoying success in its Mercedes-Benz GLC SUV with 51,805 units sold in 2021, and 16,910 units sold in the first quarter of 2022 and is about to roll out its next-generation model for the range in dealerships. Lastly, the three-pointed star marque just made big strides in its electrification via the triumphant demonstration of the Mercedes-Benz Vision EQXX, which recently displayed an actual range of 747 miles on a single charge. The said car serves as a preview of what the brand has in store for its EV units going forward. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- they agree, but glance over the problems.... they say 2 or 3 years from the present as 2 or 3 years is pre-history.... They site sales of a particular SUV as a measure for prestige yet reasons #2, #3 and #4 all contradict their glancing over facts...to which they agree to anyway... Its gonna be hard to be a Mercedes fanboi in the next decade... 2. Dilution of Exclusivity Due to Aggressive Market Expansion Another is that over the years, the efforts of the company were mainly focused on boosting the volume of its products to capture more market share. With that, Merc has been enticing younger buyers by making less expensive vehicles with lesser luxury features. However, such a strategy was not always successful as with the case of the C-Class Sport Coupe in 2002, which failed miserably in the market resulting to its discontinuation in 2006. It should be noted that the same thing happened when the brand dipped into the luxury pickup truck segment through the short-lived Mercedes-Benz X-Class. These and the presence of so many vehicles in its lineup tend to dilute its exclusivity as a brand, too. 3. SUVs Don’t Inspire the Same Level of Interest as Its Cars Moreover, the source stated that its SUVs don’t inspire the same level of interest as its passenger cars. This may be attributed to the presence of formidable rivals in the industry, including BMW, Audi, and Lexus, not to mention that some of the said brands sometimes have products that are almost alike design-wise such as the Mercedes GLE, BMW X5, BMW X3, Audi Q5, and Lexus RX. Add the fact that Merc has initially held back from introducing its hottest SUVs from Europe into the US like in the case of the GLC so it missed out on its huge demand there. 4. Losing Ground in the US Luxury Vehicle Market CNBC further cited Benz lagging in the third position in terms of the number of luxury vehicles sold in the U.S. Citing 2020 data, BMW was on the top of the list selling 278.9K units, Lexus on second with 275K sold, and Merc on the third spot with 274.9K sales. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/mercedes-loses-premium-sales-crown-bmw-chip-shortage-hits-deliveries#:~:text=Mercedes-Benz sold 2.05 million,year%2C parent Daimler said Friday. January 07, 2022 09:18 AM Mercedes loses premium sales crown to BMW, as chip shortage hits deliveries First time in five years that the BMW has outsold its German rival Mercedes-Benz sold 2.05 million passenger vehicles globally in 2021, losing its crown as the world's top-selling luxury brand to BMW. It's the first time in five years that the BMW brand has outsold Mercedes. Sales of Mercedes brand passenger cars fell 5 percent to 2.05 units last year, parent Daimler said Friday. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Glance over facts... its a Mercedes thing with their sales folk, marketing folk and fanbois , to misinform and propaganda their way to success.

It looks like Arby's is taking a hiatus from regularly sending out coupons (chicken wraps, French dip sandwiches, etc.) and I am sort of pissed.

You better include Mercedes in that group, bud. The reasoning why they merged with Chrysler... The reasoning why they are going down market in the US when in the US they were ALWAYS upscale. 'Twas only in their home market in Europe that Mercedes needed to be like Dodge and Chevrolet. But NOT in the good ole USofA. Mercedes, despite as you put it, the S Class out selling its direct competition, it aint doing too hot in the upmarket... Mercedes sales are great in Europe with their low to mid level market. Its low end stuff. Hence why they want to replicate that in the US market. And once Mercedes gets American people thinking that Mercedes is at Hyundai and Kia levels, Mercedes is toast. As I said before, Chevrolet sells more 50 000 dollar vehicles than Mercedes does in the US... The Lyriq and Celestiq have a new Cadillac design language, front and back actually, that seems to have clicked with people. Cadillac has fixed their quality and their luxury and that means Cadillac is finally on its way in reprising their standard that they flubbed on. The V cars actually have a cult following. A cult following that resembles the fervor of BMW M cars, Mercedes AMG cars and Teslas... Mercedes is actually, ironically, at the crossroads of where GM and Cadillac were in the 1990s and Cadillac and Chevrolet to a lesser degree is where BMW and Mercedes were in the US in the 1990s. My my my, how have the roles reversed...

The AMG ONE is a complete failure. The one market that would get exposure and it doesnt get sold here because it cant meet emissions. Despite it being a 1.6 liter engine aided by electric motors... Producing only 1000 horsepower. Like I said, an iron block ancient V8 produces about that much horsepower, without the aid of electric motors, it got humongous displacement at 6.2 liters and that even meets emissions... Race engines have tight tolerances. Because of that, its foolish to make them into road cars. road cars need to be daily driven and not taken apart after each race to tighten up tolerances again. All other OEMs KNEW THAT and were NOT foolish trying to ANSWER AND SOLVE a KNOWN engineering obstacle THAT NOBODY asked to be solved to begin with... Mercedes didnt even solve that riddle either... Money and time and energy FOOLISHLY spent... Wanna fake it, buy a Mercedes!!!

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a38054133/2023-corvette-z06-chassis-engineering/ After two years of watching the Corvette Racing C8.R dominate the track, General Motors has finally pulled the cover off a proper roadgoing variant. That car is the new C8 Corvette Z06, which shares a similar 5.5-liter flat-plane V-8 engine with the C8.R, known as the LT6. And while that 670-hp piece of naturally-aspirated art deserves much of the attention, the new Z06 also packs plenty of racing pedigree under the bodywork. In order to learn more, Road & Track sat down with the people behind the new Z06 to further discuss the improvements made to the car’s chassis ---------------------------------- https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38224296/chevy-corvette-z06-gt3r-revealed/ Chevy Corvette Z06 GT3.R Customer Race Car Will Be Available in 2024 Customers will soon be able to race the C8 Corvette Z06 GT3 race car that uses the same chassis as the road car and a modified version of the 5.5-liter V-8. Chevrolet Racing will offer a Z06 GT3.R customer race car starting in 2024. It uses the same aluminum chassis as the C8 Z06 road car and a modified version of the 5.5-liter flat-plane-crank V-8. Customers will be able to race in the IMSA WeatherTech Series and other GT3 racing series with the Z06 GT3.R. The Chevrolet C8.R race car’s 5.5-liter flat-plane-crank V-8 engine laid the groundwork for the engine used in the new C8 Corvette Z06, which returns to its purist heritage for 2023. And things are only heating up for Corvette racing because the C8.R will be replaced by this new Z06 GT3.R starting for the 2024 season, and a customer racing version will be available, too, just like BMW, Ferrari, McLaren, and Porsche, to name a few, have done for years. ------------------------------------ And that is the Z06 to be faster than the AMG ONE around The 'Ring costing millions less to buy and race... What a joke Mercedes marketing and engineering are at this juncture. Wanna fake it, buy a Mercedes. Wanna be real, drive and race a Corvette.

It cant pass emissions therefore it sucks for a road car. US emissions SHOULD be strict. Euro emissions should be stricter as European cities had and still have a greater smog problem than American cities do. The fact that the AMG ONE cant pass US emissions just proves that Mercedes engineering is sub par to every one else. Not very well engineered to be driven daily on public roads... Spewing all kinds of polluting emissions. Like their diesels. Their engineering coudnt make it work. "In order to preserve the unique character of its Formula 1 powertrain, we have concluded that meeting US road standards would significantly compromise its performance and its overall driving character. We have taken the strategic decision to offer the car for road usage in Europe, where it meets applicable regulations." They needed that R&D money for EVs. Mercedes execs even admitted to the AMG ONE being a mistake... Their EVs lack design and best of the best engineering so their specs could outshine others, but clearly all that money and energy went into that drunken mistake of a mess... "even Mercedes itself admitted that the idea to move forward with the AMG One was a drunken mistake - that's how challenging it was to make a road-legal car with a Formula One engine.'" My favorite brand (2 of them) both went out of service a while ago. Now if we are talking about the Corvette... well... Chevy engineers took a race engine and fit that one into the new C8 Corvette. All 5.5 liters of V8 power and made THAT emissions legal. One that could be driven ANYWHERE in the word DESPITE it being a V8 with a huuuuuuge displacement of 5.5 liters... And all for a FRACTION of the engineering costs at a FRACTION of the time, all the while NOT draining corporate of the necessary funds for the future... And Im betting, that the Z06, down 400 horsepower from the AMG ONE and significantly heavier, will be at very close times at the 'Ring as compared to the AMG ONE. Because the AMG ONE is NOT a F1 car, but a road car therefore it wont handle like a race car, it will handle like an overpriced road car. When a dedicated Z06 track car comes along, without the luxuries of a daily driven road car, it will be FASTER around the 'Ring than the AMG ONE. And Ill be laughing at you when my prediction comes true!!! PS: all that engine tech and turbos and electric motors just to only make 1000 horsepower... Albeit it is from a 1.6 liter engine. 1.6 liters and not emissions compliant. A phoquing ANCIENT IRON BLOCK supercharged mopar 6.2 liter V8 Demon engine makes about that much horsepower and even THAT is emissions compliant... What a joke the AMG ONE truly is!!! Wanna fake it, buy a Mercedes. lol Its in my name and my pic... Oldsmobile and Pontiac. And I dont hide it that they went away. Like he is trying to shame me somehow. Pathetic he truly is.

Joke is that Mercedes doesnt know what the phoque to do. Cut down on down market cars to sell higher end stuff, but that aint happening because high end stuff aint selling nearly enough. Continue on with the low end stuff for more volume but those arent selling either. EVs sales have gone up globally, but not nearly enough to make money or gain market share. KIAs, Lucids and even the one and only Cadillac EV are outshining the combined Mercedes EVs in all KINDS of metrics... But yeah...hold on to that revenue shell game @smk4565, I have presented you will all kinds of problems for Mercedes going forward. Ignore it all you want, its going to be a rough decade for your Mercedes fanboyism...

All of those are standards you don’t bestow on Benz, for the record. You can do that with Benz as well yet…

https://carbuzz.com/news/bad-news-mercedes-amg-one-hypercar-not-coming-to-usa Bad News: Mercedes-AMG One Hypercar Not Coming To USA JUN. 02, 2022 9:16 AM ETBY KARL FURLONG INDUSTRY NEWS / 31 COMMENTS Americans will have to settle for an AMG GT Black Series. After a painfully long wait, Mercedes finally took the covers off the production version of the AMG One hypercar this week. Everything we hoped for and then some, even Mercedes itself admitted that the idea to move forward with the AMG One was a drunken mistake

E series sell at Chevrolet msrps in Europe hence Mercedes volumes... Taxis, police cars. In North America, Mercedes needs volumes to keep, like you said, revenues because S Class sales and the handfull of million dollar AMG ONES dont cut it. Hence FWD down market econoboxes for Mercedes. 300 000-320 000 units sold for Mercedes versus 120 000-150 000 units for Cadillac. Problem is, and Ive done those numbers before is that 40%- 50% of those sales for Mercedes is low end market stuff... That leaves approx. the same amount of actual luxury sales as Cadillac. And Cadillac now has a HIGHER ATP than Mercedes. Mercedes is just gonna drag that ATP down as they need VOLUME to keep the lights on... The A Class is gone but not the GLA THIS starts at 37 000 and Mercedes WILL promote it heavily in the US as it NEEDS it to sell to keep money flowing. And the EV version problem is...those two wwill be competing with these and this Good luck for Mercedes to get an advance in Chevrolet, Ford and KIA market share... You wanna fake it, buy a Mercedes!!!

And the problem for Mercedes is that EVERYYBODY seems to hate that design language. And I mean EVERYBODY. All potential EV buyers... Only the hardcore of the hardcore Mercedes fans like those ugly things. Even @smk4565 disapproves of it. Yet somehow, the Blazer EV and Celestiq have issues for him when he himself finds faults with the jellybean disasters. Yet all reporting of the Celestiq, Lyriq, Blazer EV, HUMMER EV, all give critical acclaim for those particular of gm EVs. Including Euro biased media sources. Literarily, nobody gives a shyte about the EQS, EQB and family. Its all about the Lucid Air nowadays... and of course the Model S. People got quickly UNDERWHELMED with Mercedes and its EVs that there is no buzz surrounding Mercedes anywhere. The AMG ONE has hit the streets and nobody is talking about that either... The Mercedes EVs are quickly set aside also. That is about the worst thing to happen to Mercedes, that Mercedes is an actual after thought. And it has happened in 2022...

And that is certainly your right to have that opinion, just like it is everyone else’s opinion that it looks far better and more upscale than the jellybean twins from Benz.

About Cadillac and the Celestiq. It will sell as many as Cadillac wants to build. Which is not many. It will be in the low hundreds as its mission is to remain exclusive and elusive. Its a boutique offering. Not mass produced. To help advance the exclusivity and luxury of a brand that was meant only for the rich. Unobtainium. Better be rich if you wanna be a Cadillac owner nowadays. The real deal. If you wanna fake it. Buy a Mercedes.

The Lyriq was not even out then. The Mach E is also on its way to its 3rd year and it proved to be a worthy EV not only as a Tesla rival, but as an EV on its own merit. Let the Lyriq prove itself as it just hit the actual streets and the Lyriq sales will follow through. But you wanna nag on it. Nag on Mercedes for failing on plenty of levels...

Not the reason that they filed for bankruptcy. But if 2-3 years is pre-history. 15 years ago is a land before time. GM aint hurting for cash. Cadillac is not hurting for profit. Mercedes' revenue is but a shell game. Its going to be tough time for Mercedes now that Mercedes doesnt have access to Chrysler/Jeep platforms to revive their coffers with Jeep platform SUV money that carried them through the ICE AGE SUV craze. The EV thing is going to slaughter their coffers as they have nobody to sponge off of. GM is quite in a good position here... The next decade will be futile for them. They dont even have a halo car for the EV future. The AMG ONE is a hybrid. So is a Corvette. And nothing yet on its specs. The Corvette hybrid and Z06 will mop the floor with it all for MILLIONS OF DOLLARS less. Sooooo much needed R&D money wasted on that shyte. The last great hybrid EV from Mercedes was 15 years ago with the SLS. Now...that would be about the time GM went bankrupt. since then, GM has brought out image enhancing hit after hit. Styling greatness, one after the other. Mercedes has relied on diesel scandals, melted bar of soap designs and laughable EV tech and going DOWNMARKET. Hoping for them that they have truly unlocked the batter tech they so desperately need and its not a lie like with their diesels...

ATP has everything to do with revenue. ATP also means that Cadillacs sell at a price higher than Mercedes. Meaning, Cadillac buyers now are WILLING to spend MORE money on a Cadillac than on a Mercedes. Also meaning that Cadillac no longer resides in a Cadillac in every garage market niche which means that Cadillac is truly luxury as not everyone can afford a Cadillac. Unlike Mercedes who wants to do exactly that... A Mercedes for everybody. THAT would NOT be luxury... as you highly want to toot Mercedes as the world's most sold luxury brand, and yet, BMW took that crown. And yet, BMW aint luxury either as even BMW is down market in Europe... So Mercedes is losing sales to another down market auto sales company. Chevrolet sells more 50 000 dollar vehicles than either of them. Not so useless statistic when you consider the implications... Image is going up. Mercedes' image is leveling and with CNBC's opinion piece, is actually true to what is being said about Mercedes' luxury perception problems. Ive been stating THAT for the last 15 years that it will finally catch up to Mercedes. Self loathing Americans much like yourself, is what makes you pathetic, have COMPLETELY ignored and gave a pass on for Mercedes, BMW and Toyota but much have crucified and NEVER forgave the American brands for shyte they done half a phoquing century ago. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/06/business/mercedes-benz-brake-recall.html Mercedes has just issued 1 000 000 cars for rusted out brakes and fear of failing. Mercedes has sold about 300 000 cars year after year for the last 15 years. 300 000 x 15 = 4.5 million cars. Mercedes has recalled 25% of those... Diesel scandals Going down market and the failure of many shytty models in the US market ALL in the last 15-20 years. Yet you, SMK, not a nigh of malcontent, dissing or complaint of Mercedes but you yap, yap yap negative shyte on GM and Cadillac. Phoque off!!!

https://insideevs.com/news/588048/2023-cadillac-lyriq-sold-out-70percent-buyers-are-new-to-brand/ 1. The 2023 Cadillac Lyriq sold out a mere four hours after orders opened on May 19, the automaker revealed. GM's luxury brand opened the order banks at 9 am and by 1 pm the 2023 Lyriq had sold out 2. While the representative declined to say how many orders Cadillac received, in March the brand did report having about 233,000 people who expressed interest in the car. Back then, Cadillac also said it expected to convert about 10% of those hand-raisers to buyers. It's safe to say Cadillac is planning a production run of more than 20,000 vehicles for the 2023 Lyriq, 3. Speaking about Cadillac Lyriq customers, the brand’s first-ever production EV appears to be quite an effective conquest vehicle, as approximately 70% of buyers are new to the brand. The percentage was reportedly communicated by Cadillac in a recent media presentation, according to Cadillac Society. Interestingly, many of these new customers are younger than the typical Cadillac customer, with 68% of Lyriq customers being members of the so-called Gen X and Gen Y demographic groups.

https://www.benzinsider.com/2022/06/is-mercedes-benz-losing-its-prestige-as-a-luxury-car-brand/ Benzinsider.com an opinion piece responding to the CNBC opinion piece of "If Mercedes is losing its prestige as a luxury car brand" video CNBC made in April of 2021. The Benzinsider piece was written on June 2022. THIS YEAR... Meaning, the CNBC video touched some nerves that couldnt be ignored... 1. Quality Control Issues One of its contentions is that the brand has suffered quality control issues over the years as it struggled with its electronic components and its predisposition to cut production costs. We would like to add that this still happens based on the frequent recalls it has announced in the past couple of years. 2. Dilution of Exclusivity Due to Aggressive Market Expansion Another is that over the years, the efforts of the company were mainly focused on boosting the volume of its products to capture more market share. With that, Merc has been enticing younger buyers by making less expensive vehicles with lesser luxury features. However, such a strategy was not always successful as with the case of the C-Class Sport Coupe in 2002, which failed miserably in the market resulting to its discontinuation in 2006. It should be noted that the same thing happened when the brand dipped into the luxury pickup truck segment through the short-lived Mercedes-Benz X-Class. These and the presence of so many vehicles in its lineup tend to dilute its exclusivity as a brand, too. 3. SUVs Don’t Inspire the Same Level of Interest as Its Cars Moreover, the source stated that its SUVs don’t inspire the same level of interest as its passenger cars. This may be attributed to the presence of formidable rivals in the industry, including BMW, Audi, and Lexus, not to mention that some of the said brands sometimes have products that are almost alike design-wise such as the Mercedes GLE, BMW X5, BMW X3, Audi Q5, and Lexus RX. Add the fact that Merc has initially held back from introducing its hottest SUVs from Europe into the US like in the case of the GLC so it missed out on its huge demand there. 4. Losing Ground in the US Luxury Vehicle Market CNBC further cited Benz lagging in the third position in terms of the number of luxury vehicles sold in the U.S. Citing 2020 data, BMW was on the top of the list selling 278.9K units, Lexus on second with 275K sold, and Merc on the third spot with 274.9K sales. Nevertheless, it should be recalled that Mercedes remains the top-selling luxury vehicle brand in the world. (my take on that.... BULLSHYTE! That misinformation is always spewed as Mercedes sells downmarket vehicles in Europe like GM does with Chevrolet, and now they are doing that in North America, but Benz biased related articles want to disinform us and spew lies. The reason why CNBC did that video in the first place is to showcase how downmarket Benz has REALLY gone...as in REASON #2...) 5. Fall in Profits Next, the presenter took into account a time in 2019 when Daimler, the then-parent of Mercedes, saw its profits fall by $5 billion due to its involvement in the Dieselgate scandal and electrification R&D. If its EV investments fail to produce favorable results in the years to come, it could threaten the confidence of its shareholders. 6. Strong Competition in the EV Market Speaking of electrification, the brand has to struggle amid strong competition in the EV market. One of which is Tesla, and the entry of many other brands in the segment, particularly the cheaper Chinese EVs. Based on McKinsey’s Electric Vehicle Index, Tesla holds a 16% global market share EV. Mercedes is not even in the top 10 list of the data as of 2019. Its traditional rival, BMW, made it but most entries came from Chinese EV makers. When it comes to China, which has the largest demand for EV nowadays, Merc also has to watch out for its local EV brands. 7. The Tesla Threat An interesting fact that was pointed out by the video was the tendency of the top German luxury automakers (Mercedes, BMW, and Audi who own a 60% slice of the Chinese market) to drop their overall market share advantage whenever Tesla opens up a new store in a location. From the looks of it, Tesla is aiming to maximize its exposure by opening up more international dealerships in the years to come, thus, if the trend continues, it will be one hell of a ride for the German luxury brands. Furthermore, Merc takes more time to develop its EV models due to its high standard and efforts to make it right the first time, which are not exactly a bad thing. However, competitors like Tesla are moving quicker and more adventurous when it comes to exploring tech that other automakers are reluctant to adopt. The state-of-the-art tech is usually what attracts younger buyers to the American brand. Nonetheless, Tesla is far from secure in the American market because EVs still comprise a small percentage of total vehicle sales in the US. (another misinformation bullshytting.... Not only Tesla, but GM and Hyundai/Kia, Lucid, RIVIAN and all others... The thing is, Mercedes WANTS to go downmarket, and their EV offerings are all ugly anywhere in the price spectrum. #6 reason... But this author, like you @smk4565, glances over straight out facts and tries to lie to counter...)

So is pointing out the revenue for Benz vs GM yet that didn’t stop you from mentioning it. Fact is when the numbers don’t line your way, you always say something like that so maybe look in the mirror next time before talking about a “meaningless statistic”.

That's all fantasyland. Mercedes-Benz had higher revenue than GM or Honda in 2021. Mercedes-Benz is not a small car company like Lucid, Aston Martin, Lotus, or even Mazda. They don't need a partner, don't have to worry about being too small or not being able to scale volume like Rivian or Lucid will have to worry about. Mercedes is scrapping the A-class in the USA. The S-class outsells all competitors combined, the G-wagen is going for like $200k on the used market, in the up market they are the most in demand brand. The AMG GT starts over $100k, goes over $300k (the Nurburgring record holder), GT 4-door is $100-200k (the 4-door vehicle Nurburgring record holder), a $3 million hyper car that will become the Nurburgring record holder. They have Maybach SL, Maybach EQS, Maybach EQS SUV coming, and a Mythos sub-brand that will be above Maybach and build custom made and one-off cars. Chevrolet sells more vehicles over $50k than Cadillac does, so does Ford. Meaningless statistic. Cadillac quality better than Lexus? XT5 more reliable and with better resale than a Lexus RX350? 10-15 years ago people made the argument that Cadillac is back because they had a 556 hp CTS-V, a 469 hp STS-V, the XLR, an Escalade doing well, then 5 years ago it was a 640 hp CTS-V, another new Escalade, the CT6 "flagship" and people said Cadillac is back and Cadillac sales are worse now than they were then, and pretty much all those products aside from the Escalade are gone. 10 years from now, the Lyriq, Celestiq and Formulayiq small crossover will all be dead, the Escalade will still be there (in EV form) and there will be a new GM at Cadillac and another renaissance 5 year turn around plan bing announced.

You should. Lucid has built a better, faster, more pleasing luxury EV than Mercedes has. Lucid has caught the attention of many would be luxury EV buyers. Tesla has stole plenty of upscale Mercedes clientele with midlevel interiors. Lucid has equaled and bettered Mercedes upscale interiors with matching state of the art EV tech and with glitzy gimmicky EV specific techno interiors. Mercedes does also, but with a very stale, dated, ugly melted soap aero styling of the '80s and '90s'. As does the Lucid Air, but the Air is much much more modern lookin'. A more advanced 1990s. The Mercedes is just sooooo...dated. The Celestiq actually looks like what the future of what an inspiring luxury EV should look like. The Lyriq actually looks like what a real luxury EV should look like. Cadillac has upped their game on all levels of what it means to be luxury in the new world past 2020 and in the new world of EVs. Sucks to be you in all that GM hatin' and the Mercedes' lovin' Seems like I no longer live in the past of Cadillac land yacht barges but 'tis you that lives in the Jurassic Park 1990s glory days of when Mercedes could do no wrong...with Chrysler money no less... But I havent forgotten that Mercedes knew they needed to go down market in the US even since then... Maybe you have suppressed these memories. I havent. And now, they actually peddle FWD cars here in the US... Front phoquing wheel drive. Like a phoquing J Body Cavalier... Oh yeah....that is a Cadillac... Just for reference to what Mercedes sells in that Cimarron market. we give a pass to Mercedes though... Cheap ass thing.... But that seems like soooooo phoquing loooooong ago... small Cadillac in 2022 small Mercedes in 2022 The Cavalier hatch looks better...from 1985 for phoques sake... and that A class shyte box is EXACTLY in what market class the Cavalier was sold too. Phoquing pathetic...

TBH, I prefer the exterior of the Lyriq over the Celestiq. If the interior of the Celestiq concept is largely carried into production, Cadillac should have a winner on its hands, EV or not.

Have you considered instead of the OEM battery, an upgrade of a Lithium-ion auto battery that will last much longer and give a better performance response to the system? I have them in my autos and other coworkers have them and they work great.

I dont know if this is legit or CGI, but if its legit, the F22 is more awesome than I thought it was. Looks like humans back here on earth could defend ourselves quite all right if ever the First Order decided to invade. Thee F22 could hold its own, if the video is legit and not CGI, and downright an X Wing fighter competitor. In fact, Id rather the Raptor over the X Wing. The X Wing doesnt seem to be able to out maneuver it... The X Wing looks good and all with Poe in the cockpit, but the Raptor could fall out of the sky flat and still actually fly... If its legit and not CGI. Its unbelievable???!!!!

GM's CEO says they are going to outsell Tesla, and I just looked it up and she said in the USA by 2025. Would be more ambitious to state worldwide, but GM isn't in Europe anymore. https://fortune.com/2022/07/20/general-motors-tesla-electric-vehicle-sales/ GM told Fortune Magazine here they plan to build 1 million EV's in the USA by end of 2025 and 1 million in China. So there is 2 million number they need to be on par with or perhaps beat Tesla. But to sell 2 million cars you need some big volume sellers. Personally I hope they pull it off, we need more EVs on the road and I am sick of Tesla sales going up 40-50% per year without even introducing any new models. Someone has to challenge them.

Because the XT6's sales volume sucks. The Lyriq should aim to double that. Even if they do 50k units here it would still be behind most mid-size luxury SUVs. But if they can do 50k here, and 50k in China, that gets them 100k units a year, that would be pretty good I think.

ATP has nothing to do with revenue when you have no volume. Cadillac doesn't have enough buyers willing to spend "MORE". People are willing to spend money on Escalades, not the rest of their stuff. If people were willing to spend more for a Cadillac, the CT5 would cost more than an E-class or 5-series and outsell them. Likewise with the CT4 vs the 3-series, or the XT5 vs the Lexus RX, or the XT6 vs the MDX.

20,000 is not enough, need to be able to produce 100,000 a year for the USA, probably same number for China. Lexus sells over 100k RX's just in the USA. I read Ford plans to produce 270,000 Mach-E's next year. But they have sold 17,000 in the first half of this year. Not sure how they get from 34k a year to 270k a year, but scale is what matters. Tesla is the only car maker producing EV's at scale right now, all the other guys keep advertising their EVs, but they don't have them on dealer lots. Tesla sales are up 46% this year while the market overall is down 18%. There is demand out there for cars and EV's especially, but no supply.

Talk about fantasy land. you havent realized that Cadillac is kicking Mercedes ATPs since 2020. And the thing is, even when all car makers' ATPs have shot up since Covid, Cadillac's have skyrocketed and widened the gap that much more against Mercedes. https://mediaroom.kbb.com/2021-10-13-Average-New-Vehicle-Transaction-Prices-Top-45,000-for-First-Time,-According-to-Kelley-Blue-Book Makes September 2021 Transaction Price (Avg.)* August 2021 Transaction Price (Avg.)* September 2020 Transaction Price (Avg.)* Percent Change August 2021 to September 2021* Percent Change September 2020 to September 2021* Acura $48,105 $48,297 $39,900 -0.4% 20.6% Alfa Romeo $48,549 $48,458 $44,965 0.2% 8.0% Audi $57,547 $56,806 $54,718 1.3% 5.2% BMW $65,043 $63,713 $60,418 2.1% 7.7% Buick $36,319 $35,086 $34,185 3.5% 6.2% Makes September 2021 Transaction Price (Avg.)* August 2021 Transaction Price (Avg.)* September 2020 Transaction Price (Avg.)* Percent Change August 2021 to September 2021* Percent Change September 2020 to September 2021* Cadillac $81,938 $75,399 $54,202 8.7% 51.2% Chevrolet $50,451 $47,095 $40,903 7.1% 23.3% Chrysler $45,387 $44,622 $40,434 1.7% 12.3% Dodge $45,052 $42,637 $38,048 5.7% 18.4% Fiat $27,726 $27,032 $28,303 2.6% -2.0% Ford $50,853 $51,446 $45,677 -1.2% 11.3% Genesis $60,087 $59,148 $46,328 1.6% 29.7% GMC $61,557 $58,042 $54,182 6.1% 13.6% Honda $33,915 $32,983 $29,284 2.8% 15.8% Hyundai $33,390 $32,879 $29,644 1.6% 12.6% Infiniti $52,873 $51,962 $46,679 1.8% 13.3% Jaguar $73,893 $69,477 $59,058 6.4% 25.1% Jeep $44,445 $44,340 $39,906 0.2% 11.4% Kia $33,036 $31,892 $29,637 3.6% 11.5% Land Rover $86,757 $85,056 $80,195 2.0% 8.2% Lexus $53,316 $51,261 $50,374 4.0% 5.8% Lincoln $62,394 $61,751 $57,782 1.0% 8.0% Mazda $34,144 $32,831 $30,103 4.0% 13.4% Mercedes-Benz $75,369 $74,885 $59,899 0.6% 25.8% Mini $35,534 $35,580 $32,929 -0.1% 7.9% Mitsubishi $28,978 $28,753 $23,415 0.8% 23.8% Nissan $33,376 $32,407 $29,700 3.0% 12.4% Porsche $102,397 $100,747 $96,118 1.6% 6.5% Ram $55,383 $54,051 $51,549 2.5% 7.4% Subaru $33,911 $34,804 $31,911 -2.6% 6.3% Tesla $55,085 $54,538 $54,270 1.0% 1.5% Toyota $38,592 $36,743 $33,608 5.0% 14.8% Volkswagen $34,992 $35,105 $30,594 -0.3% 14.4% Volvo $54,903 $53,767 $48,604 2.1% 13.0% Industry $ 45,031 $ 43,418 $ 40,159 3.7% 12.1% And the A Class is being scrapped in the US? Another failure for Mercedes in the US market. And the real thing that should hit you hard is that Cadillac is going UPMARKET while stabilizing their sales and Mercedes is trying to sell more while going DOWNMARKET. Cadillac doesnt need, or want at this juncture to increase low end sales, Chevrolet is there for that. But Mercedes needs to try and steal sales from Chevy to do so... And while it seems that Mercedes also has 500 mile range EV capability, as does GM, GM and Cadillac have what it really takes to sell cars... This is frumpier, uglier and more dated than the Model Y from Tesla is... And this is a fresh design. The Model Y is from 2017 as its a sister design to its sedan counterpart. The Model 3. I think folk, even Euro loving freaks, will be embarrassed to be seen in that EQA that will replace the better looking (believe it or not) A Class that was a phoquing failure (yeah, not that hard to believe).... You might not think so, but you are also an ass kissing mercedes fanboi, but the Equinox EV CUV is eons ahead in design against that EQA good luck to Mercedes trying to capture any sales in this market with the ugly shyte they are gonna peddle And I sensed fear when I read you werent impressed by this And you ought to be scared.... what in the holy heaven do you see beauty in any Mercedes design the last 10 years? The phoque is this mid 2000s design? It looks like a 1st gen Edge from 2007 NOT the way forward.... And what the phoque is this shyte? or this? But you have problems with the Blazer? The thing is, even Hyundais and Kias look better And how is this pertinent to Mercedes? Well, its MERCEDES that wants to go downmarket. Its a great danger that they will fail BIG TIME, bud! All the influencer, content creator youtubers out there, the actual CURRENT purveyors of what is the next cool marque simply dont talk about Mercedes. Cadillac is actually on their radar...believe it or not. Tough times up ahead for Mercedes. Cadillac too, had that blind aura in the 1990s with their brand new sexy FWD STS... and the deealerships were sooooooo happy. The Brougham was featured in Seinfeld, the STS and Northstar were killing it. The Cimarron was finally buried in the mid 80s as this is now the mid 1990s. yet somehow you wanna brush under the rug yet another compact entry low class car from Mercedes.. You are pathetic, SMK...

If Cadillac we such a cash cow to begin with GM would not have had to file bankruptcy. GM didn't get enough volume or profit margin out of Cadillac back then. They could have done a car like the Sixteen, I never expected a 13.6 liter V16 to hit production, that would be a CAFE and emissions nightmare, but they could have done a full size car with the supercharged Northstar to stay more cost effective and had a big luxury car that probably what they were doing for DT7 at the time. (could have put the supercharged Northstar in the Escalade 15 years ago also) But there are probably a lot of things Cadillac would have done different if they had a redo. Going forward, the Elmiraj is a good looking car, even though coupes/convertibles are practically sales proof, I would still bring back the Eldorado and use those 2 concepts and the Lyriq as a guide. If they can price the Lyriq at $62k, and they should be able to build a coupe for less than an SUV, I don't see why an Eldorado coupe can't also be $62k, maybe $65k if you dress up the interior a bit more or need a little money for suspension/handling. Then the dual motor Eldorado can be $70k, add $5-10k for the convertible, whatever that costs, probably would have to go soft top for weight given that it's an EV. And I'd size it similar to a CT5 or Lyric, somewhere in there, a full size coupe will never sell, keep it mid-size, then you can do a mid-size sedan that shares parts with it, plus you are sharing from the Lyriq too to keep cost in line. We also haven't seen the production version of the Celestiq yet, only a concept car with no stats. So we need to see the the actual proaction car to see if they did get the quality, materials, etc correct and if what they built is worth the price.

Cadillac hasn't delivered any Lyriqs yet. They have sold zero YTD per GM's Q2 sales report. You are comparing their future orders to what Mercedes already sold. Also they aren't near the same price or same segment, so it's meaningless anyway. 20,000 units a year for a mid-size luxury SUV would be among the worst sellers in the segment, it would be on pace with the XT6's sales volume this year. Model Y did 161,000 last year and is up this year. 200,000 a year should be no problem for them and they might hit 250,000 given the sales increases Tesla is seeing. And that's just in the USA. Tesla sold over 50,000 Model Y's in China in June 2022, it was the #1 selling SUV in the country, is #2 for the year. It's outselling the Honda CR-V there.

No luxury brand will sell a car that does volume like the Model Y. That is what should have the traditional OEM's concerned. The Model Y at the pace they are on could be a top 10 selling vehicle in the USA, and the Model 3 could be also. The GLC and GLE can do about 70,000 units each in a year, BMW X3 and X5 can usually do numbers like that, Lexus RX over 100k. I am. not saying the Lyriq needs to do 200,000, but they should be able to do 50,000. And stuff like the Equinox EV needs to be a 250,000 a year vehicle. Right now, Mach-E, Kia EV6, Ionic 5, iD4, etc are all sort of niche cars doing 25,000 sales a year each, that isn't a lot of production in a market of 17 million sales per year under normal conditions. Mary Barra is the one that said GM will sell more EV's than Tesla by mid-decade, so that's 3-4 years away. Tesla will have a 2 million vehicle year capacity within a couple years. So if GM is going to top 2 million EV's a year they need 4 vehicles at 250k units a year, and 10 at 100k a year. That's a lot of volume EV's, 1 or 2 of them have to come from Cadillac.

Revenue, ATP has zero to do with Revenue. Mercedes had $136 billion in revenue in 2021, GM $127 million and Honda $124 Billion. My earlier point at Lucid not being a threat is because Mercedes is a huge company, Lucid is not. Lucid lost $4.7 billion last year, and has $5.4 billion cash on hand, they only have enough cash to get through 2023. You keep saying Mercedes is going down market, then post a graphic that their avg sales price is up 25% in a year, and then you complain that them killing their entry level mode in the US is a failure. So you don't want them to sell an A-class, but complain when they cancel it? Also keep in mind the CLA will become the entry level Mercedes and is priced higher than the CT4, CT5 and XT4. Cadillac has a high ATP as a brand because their lower end cars had terrible sales volume and the Escalade does high volume. I have also said for over 10 years Cadillac needs to go up market. But it was Cadillac who priced the CT6 $30k under rivals, Cadillac who killed the CTS and replaced it with a CT5 that was $10k cheaper, Cadillac killed off the rear drive SRX for a cheaper front drive SRX at a lower price point. Cadillac killed the XLR after 1 generation instead of doubling down and making better car to justify the price tag. Even when the last CTS was around, it was like $8k cheaper than a 5-series or E-class. I have also said for years that they should go above the Escalade and most Cadillac fans are like "you can't do that, the Escalade is the top of the brand." Not only should Cadillac be doing the Celestiq, they should do an SUV above Escalade and a sports car above the Corvette. I just don't like the body style they went with for the Celestiq.