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They would be, I'm just know my next vehicle certainly will not me smaller than what I have now.

Those are in the style of the Charger Hellcat. I’d go for a super subtle Hellcat 300 styled like the 300C SRT back in 2013. Black or dark gray, low key trim, lots of power.

So Cybertruck could take 10-15% of that market, I think that is pretty reasonable. That still puts the F150 to about 600k units a year, the Model Y could pass that. Mercedes EV sales aren't poor, the EQS is the only one that was on sale all last year, it is the #2 selling vehicle over $100,000 ICE or EV and it is only #2 because Mercedes makes the #1 seller. The EQS outsold the Taycan, the 911, even outsold the Cadillac CT4 that is 1/3rd the price. Mercedes too though needs to ramp up more production and they need the smaller size EVs because the volume lives there, not with a $125,000 sedan. And my point is not about low EV sales, it is more about profitability of EV sales, which these low volume producers don't make any money. And my other point is Tesla hasn't hit the mainstream price yet, once you can get a Tesla for the same price as an ICE Chevy/Ford/Toyota/Hyundai/etc and then get a tax credit, no gas, limited maintenance, less depreciation, a Tesla becomes cheaper than owning a Corolla. That is game over for the legacy OEM's.

@oldshurst442 @Robert Hall @ccap41 @surreal1272 @Drew Dowdell @trinacriabob @riviera74 Check out what the Hellcat can do on the German Autobahn.

LOL Doesnt surprise me. As much as I have given shyte to Hyundai and Kia for theft problems stemming from corporate idiot decisions, Stellantis (Dodge) should know better to protect the these cars from theft as these cars have been on the hot list since at least 5 years now. And they still havent done anything to address to curtail some of the theivery done. Yes...I understand a thief will always find a way, a back door of sorts, but proof that Dodge has done nothing to curtail this problem as theives steal them straight from the dealership. Not good! Bible thumping Republican? Of Fox News swillin' morons? Nothing will arise. 1. hypocrites 2. too stupid to see the irony

@oldshurst442 @Robert Hall As I sit here working, I started to laugh as the image in my mind formed of a bible thumping individual arriving at Sunday church in their Demon 170, Swinger, Black Ghost, etc. One can only imagine what would be going through the heads of the people. ? Be interesting to see the final details over the last year of Camaro and what Ford does with the Mustang.

I still wouldn't mind having a Challenger..though I don't need a Hellcat..the regular R/T or R/T Scat Pack 392 w/ a manual and maybe the wide body would be fine, as long as it's in F8 green or octane red. Maybe I'll get a CPO or otherwise clean late model one when I get my property plans sorted (got to have more garage space). Though I do like the 2015+ Mustang quite a bit also.

@oldshurst442 @Robert Hall As I watched the Demon 170 reveal, when they gave the Name, the online crowd was so disappointed. So many pointed to the evil little leprechaun they used to tease this car. Many thought it would be named using some of the evil Leprechaun names like "Killian" or "Mordecai". Many thought they would use actual Demon names such as "Succubus" or "Incubi". End result, I am sure there were Legal concerns about the naming of the auto and they already owned the Demon name, but I still feel this is one of the biggest let downs by a auto company after all the buildup.

The only question left is, what version are you? I am THIS version!!! But if Im buying a Challenger for myself...I dont want or need a Last Call version. Nor a Demon. A regular Hellcat is what I always wanted and that hasnt changed since 2015. Ill go with a Red-Eye. Regular or widebody. Uniform body colour all the way through or black hood. No stripes. Original hood or twin snorkel. Prefer the twin snorkel hood though. In those 3 colours.

I too...am DEEPLY dissapoint in the name. I understand the 'fun' reasons where the 170 number comes from, its just abnormally boring coming from Dodge. 1. The name is brain numbing boring 2. The reasons beind the name is even worse. 170 ethanol proof???!!! The phoque???!!! At least reason #2 is a tad more exciting as its the code number for the Hellephant crate engine: C170 But, its the name they chose and so Dodge will sell every Demon 170 they make and truth be told, it seems like any and EVERY Last Call Charger and Challenger will ALREADY have collector car status and most of them are not even built yet.

Looks like a decent compact for city driving. Too small for me, I’m too old for subcompacts or compacts.

It's probably a great little car but I don't care a whole lot for small, FWD cars.

Robert you talking about this OEM color that they had on the 2020 CT5-V?

Subtle is a nice way to go. Especially the way the 300C SRT8 was in 2013. I agree!!! With me though, Id like to flash a little bit of the wild side.

Feels right at home, doesnt it???!!! Not forgetting its got German ancestry... Id say the ONLY good thing to come out of that merger is that we eventually got the Challenger, Charger and Chrysler 300 from Mercedes. Not forgetting the Magnum wagon. I often think about what it be like if the 300 got Hellcatted and the Magnum as well!. Id rock a Magnum Hellcat with a current gen Charger front end! Id definetely trade in my TL for a Hellcat 300 and to hell with Quebec gasoline prices. Id sell a kidney to finance the gas for one. LOL

I do wonder if the Charger and Challenger will continue. It hasn’t been clear to me if 2023 is just the end of the Hellcat models or the end of the current Charger and Challenger generation completely. They are being quiet about that unless I’ve misunderstood. I hope they do use it in cars. I assume Ram will get it for trucks and Jeep will use it elsewhere.

German based Volkswagen revealed their global EV the ID.2all that is expected to be the cost leading EV beating Tesla their biggest EV competitor to offering a coming entry level EV for the masses. The company has stated that the ID.2all is spacious like a Golf and affordable like the Polo with a range of 450 KM or 280 Miles of range on a single charge. This newest addition to the ID family will be built on the new MEB platform. This EV will go into production in 2024 with an on-sale date of European Market 2025 and other markets to follow. Per Kai Grunitz, member of the Brand Board of Management responsible for technical development: “The ID. 2all will be the first MEB vehicle with front-wheel drive. We are exploiting the great flexibility offered by our modular electric drive (MEB) platform and will set new standards in terms of technology and everyday usability with the MEB Entry platform.” ID.2 Specifications released so far: MEB Platform, FWD 166 kW or 223 HP Range 450 km or 280 miles Charging time to 80% is approximately 20 min. 0-100 km/h (0-62mph) = 7second Top speed = 160 km/h or 99.5 mph Length = 4,050mm or 159.5 inches Width = 1,812mm or 71.4 inches Height = 1,530mm or 60.2 inches Wheelbase = 2,600 or 102.4 inches Wheels = 225/40R20 Volkswagen has indicated that this interior is class leading as a spacious, high-quality appearance with a self-explanatory operating system. The ID.2all depending on rear seats up or down offers a generous interior cargo hauling space, 490 to 1,330 litres of space or 17.3 cubic feet to 47 cubic feet of space. The FWD MEB system is of the following look: For the full press release images check out the gallery here: Official Press Release: EN_ID2all_presspack.pdf View full article

I just don't like small cars in general. Too noisy on the road, cramped and uncomfortable. For my next new car, it will probably be another Grand Cherokee...maybe an Overland or Summit w/ the McIntosh stereo. I'm channeling my inner 65 year old, but I would love a brand new 1996 Cadillac Brougham, Buick Roadmaster or Lincoln Town Car w/ today's infotainment systems, soft-touch interior trim and today's V8 power and efficiency. But with the classic cushy seats and ride and quiet...I want serenity in my drive, but still want blast some U2, NIN, Eagles, Joe Bonamassa, Pink Floyd, Pearl Jam, or Beethoven when I feel like it..

I wanted to give a vote on this post. But I dont know which one to give. 1. I cant give an upvote because although I agree with the post. I dont also. I mean, I UNDERSTAND what you mean, I agree with you, but I dont as I, my wife really, doesnt mind a small FWD car... And THAT is where I dont agree. Not with the statement, I undersatand your statement, but I dont mind a small FWD car... 2. I cant give you a heart because...well...see above. 3. its not a negative vote... 4. Its not a Hell Yeah vote. Because obviously this kinda car could actually BE in my driveway. But not for ME. For my wife. Because for ME, I ALSO dont care a whole lot for a small car. I dont mind the FWD part though... 5. Its not a sad or confused vote... 6. Its not a great idea. Its not educational. Although it might be educational as we just educated ourselves as to how you feel about small FWD cars... 7. Its not a facepalm So its best not to vote? So this post gets an upvote instead... Depending how small it is, if its too small, then maybe my wife wont want it. For now, if we need to get a brand new EV...for her...its a Chevy Equinox EV. For me. NOTHING is out there that I would like to own. ICE or EV. Sure...a Challenger or Mustang is always nice. Those arent too usefull for my needs though. Maybe the Dodge Banshee/Charger EV that is still a concept might be the answer. Or Ill bight the bullet and get myself a CUV. The Mustang Mach-E.

Too True, So many Hellcats stolen in less than 60 seconds. Latest robbery of 6 from a dealership that had it happen with the last order of Hellcats they had too. Dealership been hit twice with having them all ripped off.

I thought the same about the Demon 170 name. So tame. The Hellcat image is outrageous, the name should be outrageous. Something like Demon Tire Mutilator, Demon Defecator ( since it sh*ts all over the competition), Demon Dominator… I read that the silver and black 170 they have been showing to the press has been stolen already.

The Cybertruck is one body style only, not remotely competitive with the F150. You actually think there will be a next generation that competes w/ the F150? I doubt it...they haven't even made a 2nd generation of the Model S. Tiny company, poor quality, unable to compete w/ real car companies...claiming they will have a product that will outsell the F150 is just fanboy dreamer BS.

I find it amazing that you assume they have nothing ready to go into production. They are retooling the same plant that builds the ICE Charger/Challengers for new Dodge EV cars. Logically it would be assumed that the working Banshee is able to be moved into production and for all we know they have mules of both an EV Charger and Challenger. Chrysler is also supposed to get next year their first EV, the Airflow that will be their first EV on Sale in 2024. Chrysler Airflow Graphite Chrysler Portal Concept that they showed is considered a work in progress for an EV minivan. Dodge Charger Daytona SRT BANSHEE Dodge Charger Daytona SRT Dodge has going on sale this year the Hornet Hybrid in RT and GT versions.

What are they going to sell in 2024? The Banshee is in concept form, although close to production ready, so maybe they they can get it production ready by January. But do they have the supply chain worked out to actually build at scale? And Chrysler will be down to just a minivan since they have nothing in the pipeline except the Airflow which is pretty much vaporware at this point.