LosAngeles

Thing about it is no one goes out of their way to dis Chevy.

I want to see them given a look like they're 18-20" large.

Either way, that truck will cost $100,000, you FANBOYS!! And 68, you know Atlas dimensions well enough to know the six is too long for the 355s. The biggest killer of a truck I liked was costing 30 grand for the most likeable models. Just inexcusable with the perceptions held in this market. No one's going over 27K for a Chevy-badged vehicle that isn't a Corvette or something of equally ballsy reputation and power.

Exactly (add 210, Del Rey, Fleetline, Styleline, Kingswood, and though I would think one would be really hot, Corvair to the list). The time-warped would-be greasers in here have been getting carried away forever. Exactly #2. I know the old Chevrolette set want Chevy to have it all, but we GM fans know that would be at the expense of everyone else but Cadillac (though I'm sure they'd like Chevy to compete head to head with Mercedes too). I think Saturn is set too. It's P-B-G's turn.

All this weird Opel/Saturn/Pontiac talk aside, Zeta would definitely make a hell of a Vauxhall Carlton. Carlton VXR = Lotus Carlton replacement?

They used to do such in Trans Am and IMSA GTO racing as well....NASCARs are truly whole different vehicles. I see this as more like the former two, simply a mutation.

You guys do know that in Japan, Toyota didn't sell the Matrix, but the Vibe (named Voltz). Yeah, I was hoping for a Delta/Ecotec Vibe myself, but it's obviously not gonna happen this go-round. I also personally liked the GT.

Dude. they're not gonna be on V6 cars already....eat it with the obsession with them.And on a general side note, what are some of these newbies fans of anyway? I'm gone most all of 2006 and come back to seee this site flooded by some haters....

Sad to hear about the Mazdaspeed6. I find it a package one can't go wrong with. Unless it's a premium-fuel-only car, which would scare me in these times of goofy gas prices. And how can no one want a four in an intermediate, when they're buying them every single day so that they have the privelege of owning yet another Camcord or Altima?

How do you see that? I think they all have equal amounts in the GM legacy.

Not in this market. Camry was Corona's absolute replacement here. In Europe and Japan, Corona was a smaller car. Plus our first true midsize Camry (the '92) was Japan's Scepter, with their Camry also being a smaller car.The first world Camry I remember was the last generation.

My wheelhouse is more 80s/90s, but I agree their older stuff killed what they do today. Much more passion to those cars. Corolla coupe/Sprinter, Supra, Celica, and MR2 were all cool stuff. Even the turbo truck and the older Land Cruisers. You had a real hunk of car worth playing with if you bought one...today, a Toyota is just another blandmobile, not to mention their brass and their customers like it that way.I don't think it would be a half-bad move if the next Avalon was the Crown the rest of the world got.

Mexico, Brazil, South Africa, the UK, et al, could use the infusion of style in their respective Chevy lineups. GM shouldn't rest on the laurels of crusty Daewoos, bland late-model Opels/Holdens, and 90s Chevys. Go look at the respective sites for each country and tell me I'm lyin'. The HHR obviously won't interupt or infringe on the turf of any of the bread and butter Chevys in those markets. Besides, I can't see where it's THAT expensive, plus the car is still small enough and fuel efficient enough, with the Delta/Ecotec mechanicals common enough in the worldwide parts bin. Hell, it would even make a great taxi or cute delivery van in those markets. I think the HHR could really make a name for itself and Chevy outside the US. How do you guys see it?

I always would have prefered that for the 2.4 Cobe. Only the blown Cobe should have the SS tag.Not much of the rest of the current Chevy lineup is sporty enough to get performance tags of any kind. But wow, they must really not have been feeling the Malibu (though I do agree it wasn't THAT potent to be called an SS...wasn't like it was kicking 275-300 horses) I see the SS badge akin to Chrysler's SRT moniker.

Anyone else feel the VW Phaeton overtones? It's definitely a clean looker....but how long will it be? What kind of interior volume will it have? Will it have stick available across the range (the auto-auto-auto crap is what kills me about the intermediate market these days)?

The average 60s Pontiac, for example, wasn't a major stunner either.The Protosport-4 this sin't, but I can live with that. This isn't the age where every Pontiac is red with Hi-Tech rims on it anymore.

Not to me, I think they were tastefully done. Would you say the fender vents are tacky on a BMW M-car? (general statement) People who aren't Pontiac fans need to get to the left. Whether you like it or not, it's a Pontiac cue that has always worked.

The goofy feeling I have goes like this:Holden to me is Chevy of Australia/Oceania. That part of me says the intact Holden look should be a Chevy while Pontiac gets something more distinct. But on the other side (which makes more business sense), give Chevy the more distinctive looking car (whose design will pay for itself much quicker, since Chevy sells more) and let Pontiac get the Holdens (sticking to giving each their respective fascia) which can still make its money in both markets.

OK, this is getting weird....If one is a Pontiac fan, you could never be mad at the hood "nostrils" if they were functioning RAM AIR!! I doubt that will be on V6 cars...

Drop the steering wheel and the brightwork, and we have a winner. ETA: Doesn't need badges for trim or the word Pontiac either.

Oh God, here we go with this goddamn talk again. Unless you jump back and forth between frickin' Australia and the US, shipping over CKD Holdens, why does it even matter that the first on the chassis was badged with the lion instead of the arrowhead?The casual car buyer doesn't keep their nose stuffed in these magazines, so it will be something fresh and different to them. To be edited as I go along quite a long thread.....

Posting it here, since this was the month it happened: Saw a '62 Chrysler 300 one day and the next a '62 Newport 4-door.

No sweat, bro...

You don't really believe that, do you?Let me also ask you this, do you have any appreciation for GMs of today?

With me, it would go like this:G6 4-door Fusion/Aura/Sebring (tied) Malibu Maxx G6 2-door Malibu sedan I thought Chrysler division was off their rocker when I saw the Sebring in pictures, but they look great on the street. Fusion's flaw is the lack of a manually shiftable transmision, which may also be the Sebring's issue (since I haven't read what's offered) Aura's basically a nice interior with an exterior that doesn't move me that much. I know "G6 interior sucks" and "Sebring looks like a turd" are the PC things to say on this board, but I simply beg to differ.