I clearly denoted my personal opinion on Oldsmobile. I have long admitted I have had a special fondness for Oldsmobile, and yes that plays into it. As far as Pontiac goes, the fact that it isn't even on the public's radar shows how irrelevant/poorly defined it is. Pontiac's "sport" has largely been cosmetic add-ons like ribbed door moldings, ground effects, and functionless hood scoops. Actual performance has been identical to its platform mates, especially Chevies.Honestly, our debate comes down to this: you think Pontiac has sporty heritage cues worth keeping, and I really don't think the brand has had enough consistency to necessitate them. As far as the G8: as I said before, if this were the next volume midsized offering, yea, I'd be on Team Evok for a "Pontiac Is Screwed" campaign...but I think the sales data and general buyers preferences for sedans in the G8's price range show that for Pontiac's flagship, a more subdued, sleeper design is better. These buyers have enough money that they will eschew anything tacky and looking like the 2000 Bonneville in exterior execution. These buyers have respect for Acura, and this having the subdued sophistication of an Acura will help it IMO. Finally, Pontiac's buyers/fans skew young. Pontiac is off the radar for almost everyone except those who really can't afford to buy new...and that's why the subdued G8 style is good IMO because the people who can afford it generally aren't interested in a "LOOK AT ME!" design. They want cars that have the sport without being a visual radar-magnet.