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Sebring is pretty cheap. But it LOOKS nice. If only Chryslers good interior design were matched by equally good materials... empowah, you didn't like the AURA? I came away pretty impressed with it, though I still don't like the plood.

I'm not biased against them. Not at all. I just cannot see myself ever owning one, but for that matter I cannot see myself owning too many sedans, either. I certainly do not hate sedans and campaign negatively against them, but they are not my first choice. I prefer crossover SUVs.Honestly, I would say I've had more than a casual experience with minivans...I was carpooled in them every day for years. Road trips and vacations? Rented a Silhouette. I really don't think I'm unqualified to talk about them, and I'm certainly not biased against them. The point about professionals is true, but don't they usually utilize a panel van option? I don't think I've ever seen a workman use the same minivan for both work and family hauling, especially not a plumber. What do they do, unload EVERYTHING so they can put in the second row? I have a hard time seeing the practicality of that.

I'll agree that a true Chevrolet minivan would prolly be a good idea...I think GM is stupid if they abandon the segment, but simultaneously I don't think they'd be at a disadvantage either.

You should have looked at the Navigator's seats...you'd have been ROTFLYAO.

I have no idea what oppressive laws you are referring to Camino. And California isn't hostile to cars, only pollution. And frankly they're right...cars should be as clean as possible. There's no reason not to...our cars today are so much cleaner than they were in the 60s yet they still get amazing performance.

This is a vehicle you HAVE to see in person. I don't know what is wrong with Nissan's photography, but when beholding this work of art in person it is GORGEOUS and SEXY. There were enough people crowded around it at the show yesterday to know it wasn't just me...especially since I thought it looked pregnant and out-of-shape going into it based on the press pictures. It looks neither in person. Simply awesome.

eh...too falsetto and over-the-top for my tastes

I took no pics, and I definitely skipped some automakers completely...Suzuki holds no interest. Hey PM me I wanna know what you thought about the Lincoln Navigator leather seats.

empowah...then you didn't have the middle row adjusted properly. It slides back and forth for increased/decreased leg room. Look I'll be perfectly upfront here: I don't really care for minivans and do not follow the latest developments in the segment. My experiences with minivans have been growing up, friends had Dustbusters, Aerostars, and of course every gen of the Chryslers. I've been in Windstars a couple times, the occasional rental Silhouette, and I was carpooled in the last-gen Odyssey (first competitive Odyssey...circa 2000). Compared to every minivan I've been in, I see no shortcomings with the Lambdas. If GM wants to build an additional set of "true" minivans, then fine, good for them. But I really don't think GM would be at a competitive disadvantage if they just made a sliding door an option with what they currently have.

Uhhh...getting out of the seat while the thing is in motion? Dude, that's stupid. If you need to be actively taking care of the kids while driving, then you should be in one of the back seats too WITH them.Seriously...before you write them off, experience them in person. And given the number of families who have gone from minivans to midsized SUVs and now to crossovers (it's enough to say the minivan market is shrinking) all due to the soccer-mom stigma...I doubt the veracity of a console-less front row being "huge." EDIT: Both the Odyssey and Sienna have consoles between the two front seats.

It's damned nice. I found 2 nitpicks: I think the 2nd row seats are just a tad bit on the low side (but no lower than your typical wagon or even my $h!acular M-Class) and I wish the entertainment system folded up from the center console and not down from the roof as it will obstruct rear vision...BUT you can have both a sunroof and an entertainment system...so whatever.

Have you seen these in person? They're pretty impressive. The 2nd and 3rd rows fold flat, and there's plenty of cargo space.As far as the pass-through first row...says who? That isn't a requirement at all for the segment. I don't remember if they included a place for a purse or not, but the console storage is HUGE. I think a couch could fit. Not 100% but pretty sure. Seeting is as upright as any other minivan/SUV I've been in. As far as storage compartments/cupholders galore...you're right on that, but that could be easily designed into the new sliding doors No biggie. Honestly look at these in person...they are excellent.

Very briefly.

Honestly the lambdas right now are all excellent and I cannot imagine a reason a family would pass them up for a true minivan...except for the sliding door thing. C'mon GM...make a sliding door an option in them and you've got yourself all you need.

I recall saying I was going today, the first day of the show, and I just returned from it. MUCH better show than last year. I'll post impressions later on.

Finally someone who isn't talking out of their ass about California...

No, Japan.

Again, this will never pass. It was just a design exercise.

I see no reason why sliding rear doors cannot be engineered into the Lambdas as an option. Most of the platform engineering has already been done, so wouldn't it be reasonable for the Lambdas (yes, including a Chevrolet variant) to allow either swinging or sliding rear doors? GM needs a minivan...and as for their not understanding the segment, well Lutz sure does since he was at Chrysler. That's ONE person who gets it.

OK So clearly this is Hyundai's Aztek or REV...but dammit I like it!

seriously...what the hell??

Won't happen. California has a massive car culture, and it is not uncommon to see many classic vehicles around in pristine condition. The "throwaway" notion will not fly for this reason and also because it will be seen as socially monstrous to force the poor to buy new cars every 5 years...rich prolly won't like it either because what happens? Buy a car, use it for five years, buy a new car give old one to your kids.

I like the front, though the headlights are too Infiniti, and I love the rear. My biggest problem is the bulbous and pregnant-looking profile. It just lacks definition. The side sculpting should be more muscular and defined. It just looks out of shape...NOT good.

Sciguy: I think those are rear foglamps. +1 for Saturn.

OK in light of the new pictures: LIKES: General exterior styling. I think it looks good, much better than the fixed-roof version and certainly an improvement over the outgoing model. Top down is much better than top up, of course. Interior design is superb. Trunk space looks generous. DISLIKES: Awkward roof panel seams when top up. Interior materials look like typical Mopar $h!. Rear seating area looks stark and rubbermaid. C'mon Chrysler, this isn't the 90s and your parent company is making the difference between the Tristar and Wings way too apparent.