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Don't go there, girlfriend.

Nobody's said anything about that to me...but I'll be there on opening day (unless something changes) with my bros.

i don't think i saved it. Northie might have it.

Holden has always used that wreath in its uplevel model badges.

Personally I thought the original STS design was more attractive as it had more character. It looked much more aggressive, but at the same time it didn't look quite upmarket enough for its intended segment...of course, that's just based on a grainy black and white pic of a clay model from way back...

That was the reason given originally for the current NA STS having very similar dimensions to the CTS.

The SAAB 9-6X was axed a long time ago.

We've been told in the past that Sigma is expensive and not as flexible as originally hoped. If this has changed, and the cost would work out, then yes, that would be ideal.

None of this was really necessary. You could have sent me a PM if you wanted to give me your input instead of perpetuating an argument I have no interest in continuing further in public.

Buickman attitude? Please. Frankly you're the one who needs to grow up, carrying on like this and all. Instead of addressing the points that I have brought up, you are resorting to personal attacks and ranting.I don't know $h! about the industry? So you're telling me there is no need, no pent-up demand whatsoever for a vehicle wider than the STS, with a bigger trunk, that is still RWD and manages to be feature-packed in the Cadillac lineup to compete with the S-Class, 7er and A8? You think Cadillac should just stop competing at the A6 level? Is that what you're telling me? Because I call bull$h!. You're just mad I did some research of my own and pointed out the STS's lack of front hip room compared to the current DTS and near-dimensionally-identical Holden Statesman instead of agreeing with everything you said and taking your post as truth. Get over yourself. You compare me to Buickman? Get some self-awareness. You think I don't work? Wrong again. It may not be the most glamorous job at the moment but it's a step in life that leads to greater things. And finally, I am not a teenager. Haven't been one for a while now, either. Of course, you seem to imply teenagers are beneath you in some way and I can assure you that with an attitude like that you will not garner much respect from them, or anyone else for that matter. You can send the apology via PM anytime.

Agreed.

Ah. See, I only like wheels the size of small children when they're running over said small children. Because that's just funny.

Yea and front hip room is almost 3" less in the STS.Don't get snippy, buddy. And don't get too hung up on the numbers, either. My point is that there should be another vehicle above the STS with a bigger trunk, slightly wider dimensions and more luxury. This vehicle I would call DTS, and I'd size it (overall) extremely similarly to Statesman, and because of this, put it on Zeta since that engineering is already in place. Refer to FlyBrian's post, and think about it before you reply. And can the attitude because I have no use for it. And as for your question about the value of shoulder room, it does more for the perception of spaciousness and comfort than it does for the actual comfort of the occupant. I don't think I need to explain the value of perceptions to you.

Then color me confused

The trunk space is a big issue. But yes the DTS could use better interior packaging, but some people (my father included) like the wider cars. I don't think a LWB STS could completely supplant a DTS on, say, Zeta. A Cadillac based on the new Statesman, however, would fit the bill perfectly. JMO Looking at all the stats, here is one you didn't mention and would better explain why the STS felt smaller inside than the DTS width-wise: DTS Hip Room 57.3 in. Front 55.7 in. Rear Shoulder Room 60.0 in. Front 59.2 in. Rear STS Hip Room 54.6 in. Front 55.6 in. Rear Shoulder Room 58.6 in. Front 57.4 in. Rear Sorry, but those extra inches all add up. I could see the LWB STS coming over here to replace the current one as long as a bigger, S-Class (read: more luxury) fighter DTS on Zeta is in the lineup too. And yes, I realize this conjectured DTS would be double the price of the current DTS, but that's what RWD luxury vehicles of that size go for everywhere else, and the buyers put off by that price can go and get a Zeta Lucerne (which will now be able to offer more features without stepping on Cadillac's toes)

Oldest of two. My sister and I get along great.

But what about width? The DTS would still be a larger car than a LWB STS.

OK man, that can only mean at least one of three things: you're not straight, you're the next Gary Coleman, or you look and act like Urkel or something...

Or even better yet, just come back and post instead of creating a thread about "TADA! I'M BAAAAAACK!!" Because to quote Wet Hot American Summer: [Mallrat]NOBODY CARES![/Mallrat]

Too costly. Too unnecessary. It would lead to platform overlapping...and then you'd get situations where, say, Zeta gets tuned and updated and honed to be virtually as good as Sigma...then the logic is "well Zeta costs less but performs as well as Sigma...but we have to have Cadillac on Sigma because of division-exclusive platforms." And that makes no financial sense. It's edicts like that, and the whole "nothing faster than the Corvette" that will hold GM back. Remember Lutz came to GM and for every edict asked "why?" Why did all the vehicles designed have to fit specific proportions? Why did the tire-wheel ratio have to be set in stone? Tire-fender ratio? All of it held back GM creatively and financially, and something like this likely would too.

Torana platform.

Last I heard DTS was going Zeta...

Why does the name matter so much to you? I just want this available to the US.

The domestic STS is crap.