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Now THAT'S what I meant by "Euro limo" as in a luxurious rear seat so one could be chauffered. That's Cadillac...but the big stretch things for prom? Not Cadillac.

Seriously? If she wants to drive an import, that's her deal. The TL is nice, I won't lie. See if she likes a Mercury Milan or a Mazda6. Maybe even a Lincoln MKZ since it looks sporty. Those are all good choices. Honestly though? I'd steer her toward a late model/new Volvo or a Saab 9-3. She will prolly like the Volvo more, and I wouldn't blame her. I just wanna know how your dad was "forced" into a Sequoia. I get the T900s weren't out yet...fine...but that's when you get "forced" into an Expedition (i.e. the next best thing).

Oh thank God I'm in LA...really not interested in dusting off the old peacoat this winter...

Nothing would STOP the livery companies from doing it...but they wouldn't be using DTSs if the price tag were up there. A Buick Zeta retailing for 40k would be much more limo-friendly.

They are the everyman Taurus/Lumina of Oz in the sense that they are FAMILY VEHICLES! I don't think my point was that difficult to understand... I don't think they're boring. They have performance and look really good.

Heh I wwas talking about this with one of my bros last night over hookah...our chapter definitely has a few gay guys, but they're really cool so it doesn't matter. The ones who piss us off though are the two so thoroughly entrenched in the closet...and homophobic. Not cool.

You tell him! For family vehicles, they bring the style and the power. These aren't all hi-po models...they are the Tauruses and Luminas of Oz.

I don't think Cadillac needs limos period. I have yet to meet a truly wealthy person who would ever want to ride in a $120,000+ limo...that's just tacky. I think LWB "euro limo" vehicles would be quite appropriate though.

See I lumped the FTS into a Sixteen-style vehicle. I agree...not enough of a market. But take large 7er/S-Class competitor DTS, stretch it and upgrade it inside a ton and you get the ultra-lux FTS...that's what I'm getting at. Limo? Oh dear god no. Let a Zeta Buick spawn a limo. I haven't seen a 7er limo or an S-Class limo...EVER.

OK you talked so much about the hot girls now show me the money!!

Width. CTS is much narrower than a Zeta DTS (assuming the dimensions at thread top). STS would gain length on CTS with minimal changes in width (current "problem" with STS). Zeta DTS would be similarly sized to current DTS and therefore be the overall bigger car with stretched FTS.

Unless Cadillac used the Seville name as a trim level here and there prior to 1975, 1975 is the year Cadillac launched the Seville as a seperate car line.The Seville as we know it (Euro-fighter) launched in 75, and it has always had much lower sales than the Deville. Deville goes back to the late 40s, and Seville for all intents and purposes the mid 70s.

Yes. Something like that would be feasible wouldn't it?

I think there is room for all of them in the Cadillac lineup. If the STS were slightly larger and far more luxurious, there would be no internal competition with the CTS. Making a RWD DTS to combat the 7er and S-Class would work in this case. The STS could live on as a LWB CTS as long as it has much improved interior quality and more luxury features. The DTS could then be in the next size class up. A LWB version with even greater luxury could be dubbed FTS. If Cadillac has decided to axe one of the names, though, my vote is STS since Deville/DTS is inseparable from the Cadillac brand and has been for decades.

No, it's OK..."frat-boy" is quite applicable to a lot of people...but not my house :AH-HA_wink: Most Fraternities tend to have a lot of business, communications and property development/real estate people in it. My house is mostly biochem... :nerd:

ugh i hate texting...

???????????There's another one of those idiotic comments that typifies ocnblu...

it's not training...and they aren't doing it...you do it yourself so you know who's calling before you look at the phone...or to perpetuate an inside joke. I also have some people with the "Silent" ringtone so my phone never rings when they call because I really don't like them but they just won't go away.

BV...I just noticed that just about EVERY SINGLE one of your recent posts has the tongue sticking out smilie in them. Why? The post above doesn't even make sense to have it?

I think you need to get off your high horse and chill out. The more you post on this the less respect I have for you.

Haste the Day - "Long Way Down" (Goo Goo Dolls cover) is my primary A few friends have unique ringtones: "Down," "As You Sleep" and "I Woke Up In A Car" by Something Corporate "Barbie Girl" by Aqua (if you knew the girl you'd understand) "Feel Good Inc." Gorillaz "Do You Think You're Better Off Alone?" Alice DJ "American Idiot" Green Day "Can't Wait To Be King" Lion King Soundtrack "Bite To Break Skin" Senses Fail and maybe a few others I'm forgetting...and then I have a ton more I just don't even use anymore...

Quebecian French is as different from French French as British and American English are.French French is all for preserving the language, while Quebecian French is evolving. For example... "C'est un..." is something you will see in France, while Quebecian French has added contractions, making this "C't'un..." In speaking, this changes "Set uhn" to "Stuhn" As a result, you can't say it's "horrible" French...it's just different French.

I disagree...Northie included the "from what I've seen" that quionM rarely does. As for the Landau...I was going for the first good shot of the headlights.

I didn't know the dimensions of the Statesman. I got this idea when I went on the Holden site to see why everyone was bitching about the Commodore not looking "Pontiac" enough (yea still don't get that) and saw a picture of a Statesman on one of their cycling images...and thought "WOW that front has creases but is also soft...kinda like a DTS should be!" "Stacked horizontal" as in horizontally-aligned units stacked on top of each other to make a blocky, slightly horizontally-rectangled shape.Examples: Note how the horizontal lights are stacked on the horizontal amber light. OK OK technically a 1988 Brougham...but same general styling. Note how the headlights themselves are stacked on the ambers... Clearly stacked.

But not going across the decklid like the CTS, STS and current DTS. I was just mentioning that as an alteration to the Statesman to make it more of a Cadillac.