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Not adequately though...

OK...read Dan Neil's review on cars.com...yea he panned it so I'll defer to the majority on this...but man those Automobile guys were obnoxious...

I'm with you on this one Bimmer...they definitely weren't trying to test the feature...they already had their own vision of the outcome in mind when they were doing it...and being really obnoxious spazzes wasn't helping either.I think it's an unnecessary feature...but I won't mock it until I see some more objective magazines...and certainly one of a higher caliber than Automobile...come to similar conclusions.

Don't put so many words in my mouth.Suburbs are NOT the ideal by any stretch of the imagination...at least as they've been designed for the past 75 years. What I was referring to was more along the lines of mitigating NIMBY-ism. For example...Indiana needs the extension of I-69 to be built. Nobody can agree where to build it. It needs to be done for economic benefit not only of the state but also the country. If Indiana had the legislative processes that California has, the damn thing would never be built because nobody wants it going across their farmland, or through their town, or near their great aunt Sally's favorite oak tree. This has nothing to do with imposing the will of Californians on the rest of the nation...in fact I said I didn't think California's processes were appropriate for the rest of the country. So maybe you should read what is actually being said a little more carefully before you jump to conclusions.

so it has a bike rack...

Love the front!

I like the initiative process, actually, and think it really fits California. Since California is a very progressive state with a lot of people who care and WANT to be involved in government, I think it works. Not all states would benefit from this though because for example in Indiana, people just hate any change whatsoever...and sometimes the elected officials really do know what's best for the people and if the initiative process were introduced there, nothing would ever get done. Double-edged sword...it helps things get done in some cases but could hinder in others...in CA though it works.

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209581[/snapback] Depends on how much money you have... 209674[/snapback] You only have to convert if you have a Catholic Wedding...but a wedding in a Catholic church by a Catholic priest that doesn't include a Catholic mass doesn't matter if both are Catholic or not...unless the priest does not want to.

Better than TBs? Not really setting the bar very high, are you? :AH-HA_wink:

BINGO! My thoughts exactly...

That's not true at all. My mother was married in a Catholic church THEN converted nearly 20 years later. Also, the Catholic Church tends to look down on divorcees.

Bonneville is much better. And Commodore sucks for the reasons stated above...mainly because it brings back recollections of the Commodore 64 or disco...not what Pontiac needs. Bonneville at least resonates with people positively because a) it wasn't a bad Pontiac or disgraceful EVER...and also because anyone who knows anything about performance knows about the Bonneville Salt Flats...which is definitely something that goes towards Pontiac's performance image. I wouldn't have a problem with Phoenix or Tempest being used...mainly because most people have forgotten those cars and also they are like Tempe and Phoenix, Arizona...got some racing fans and history there...again performance.

Yes...and yes.

Actually, I don't have to admit it...because I don't think it would. The marble has to go...and the diamond tucking is overdone.

The "ground effects" look tacked on...I dunno I just don't feel it...and yes that marble still looks like Corian.

yuck. What is that nasty looking paint-spattered plastic doing instead of wood?

I guess I need to upgrade...

Ruh-roh! Better tell the ServiceAdvisor!

I'd argue that it's just good taste prevailing...

But...but...if BV didn't put this bumper sticker on his car, he wouldn't be able to start a new thread and post pictures when "FAG" gets keyed across the side of his car...

That's really what gets me! I didn't know vehicles with crank windows were still being made that weren't completely stripped-down base-model subcompacts!

SEXY!