Croc

Damn beat me to it! :AH-HA_wink:

How is it that cheap? My father got a loaded Level III with the sport package and with his vinyl roof and bling tires turned out to be $60k.

Why? Give reasons...cuz that seems like a silly idea but I wanna hear your reasoning.

and these laws are protecting life. Public health, public safety, public wellfare and public morals are all valid reasons to enact legislation on a local level. Trans fats falls into public health and public wellfare...and to a lesser extent public safety. I'm sure someone would try to make a case for the "morality" of trans fats but I think that's bunk. They are not enacting social movements...they are lending support to a pre-existing one.If you think the FDA and CPSC will always take care of you, then you need to do a quick Google search on all the times they've dropped the ball. Actually, New Yorkers are protecting other New Yorkers with this...totally relevant.

To answer your questions Fly: When a consumer buys a product at the store, the list of ingredients is readily available. Not so at a restaurant. More importantly, though...this kind of legislation has already raised awareness...not only in NY but also on this message board. Yea, banning them from restaurants does nothing to the processed stuff in the stores directly, but it's a step in the process to ban them from everything we eat. For example...Frito Lay has eliminated all trans fats. Kraft has eliminated most trans fats...do your Doritos taste like $h! because of it? Nope... Why did Kraft start eliminating them? Because they were sued over Oreos and the Oreo Challenge they used to market in schools. Kraft settled the suit and vowed to eliminate trans fats from Oreos and begin to eliminate them from the rest of the lineup as part of the terms of the settlement. All of these measures are steps. If NYC and Chicago ban trans fats, that will give great momentum to the ball that's started rolling against trans fats in general. The processed food industry will be next. Also, one more thing to note...this isn't just an argument against fat in general. Fat is most definitely part of a diet, in moderation, because you NEED some fat to survive. The problem with trans fats is that they settle around the abdomen and heart (around all the vital organs), they specifically raise the bad cholesterol and lower the good cholesterol. These fats are synthetic (except in some dairy products, where they occur naturally in extremely small amounts), and they are particularly unhealthy. In making the change to a non-trans fat ingredient, the product will likely have about the same overall nutritional information, but the fat component will be far less unhealthy of a fat component.

Heh...I do love this vehicle, not gonna lie...

Yea...that definitely classifies as "weather" and we don't have much of that here...

Actually, trans fats are NOT healthy in moderation...the current food guidelines say to eat as few of them as possible. No one will have to re-evaluate their entire menus. It's called switch to a non-trans fat version. There are plenty of alternatives. Do trans fats improve taste? No. They have little/no effect on taste. Did food suddenly start tasting better since the 1970s when they became popular? NO!

Next-gen Grand Prix? Or will they pussy out and call it G8? I wouldn't mind Bonneville either...

I was being facetious.

Yea...I mean I'm Libertarian and therefore generally against nanny laws...but it's really hard to eat anywhere without consuming these partially hydrogenated oils! As for Starbucks...yea their baked goods and pastries are nutritionally disgusting. The drinks, though, are fine. If you're health-concious, order non-fat, no-whip.

Oh I agree the only way to healthily lose it is slowly...but let's be honest...crash diets haven't been big for no reason at all. The only time I will conciously overeat is at Thanksgiving, as it is my favorite holiday. That's it. Self-control is paramount the other 364 days of the year...

Yes, that is definitely a W-body...how could it not be? It looks like every other W since 1988! The styling changes to it were more to bring it in line with the Holden Buick imports China has...not so much with other future styling directions...especially since the next LaCrosse is on EPII...totally different platform with totally different styling. PS: I'm glad you actually admitted to being wrong about the OUTLOOK instead of hiding behind the shelved/delayed bull$h! symantic argument. That shows growth on your part :AH-HA_wink:

America is just too obsessed with big portions of fatty food...you know, the country really could use a nice long obsession with anorexia...one that extends OUTSIDE of Westwood.

Paulie, give up on any more refreshing since it will only last a single model year...it just isn't worth it. But do get excited about corporate radio and HVAC controls for the EPII model!

How does "partially hydrogenated oil" sound? That sounds pretty damn artificial to me...

Trans fats are dangerous, unhealthy food additives. Why NOT ban them? MSG is a lot less unhealthy than trans fats, but I would be shocked if NY were proposing a ban on MSG and the same negative reactions were given...

Too overdone from the front 3/4 I like how the taillights have that crease in them, though.

Isn't that a Mitsubishi rebadge?

No! If you don't know anything real, don't throw out misinformation just for the sake of posting. ============================================ Paulie: I didn't realize they were fixing the wood for 2007! I don't hate that interior any more! Center stack is still plain, but hey no more pumpkin orange plood!

Oh I wasn't debating that...I was just saying that it drives so well I want one even if it still had the $h!ty interior.

yea...if you get the kind of peanut butter that comes with the oil on top that you have to mix in, you got the good stuff. Smucker's makes a really good peanut butter.

No...?And New York already banned smoking...and I have no problem with that. Whole milk doesn't make you obese...and it contains a lot of healthy vitamins and nutrients. Peanut butter is actually really good for you unless you get the kind with trans fats. Cheese? Won't kill you. Cheese is also a good source of dairy. Trans fats have zero positive health effects, and many negative ones. Trans fats became used based on a lie (that margerine was better for you than butter). Why keep em?

Ven, have you driven the SRX? I have...and it makes my nimble M-Class feel like a wallowy boat. I'm glad the interior was upgraded, though I'd have still wanted one regardless.

too bad no Quadrasteer...