oldshurst442

35 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

I dont like the way it looks....its an SUV type thing...YUK!

But everything about it, if true, is awesome...

Ill still drool over a now 5 year old design in a Tesla Model S.

I must have missed it, but how does the interior look like?

I mentioned Tesla, but I recall that when Tesla was presenting the Model S, they were also flaunting a recharging station program...

Faraday Future....not so much!!!

6 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Tesla S I can barely fit in the front seat and due to the lack of head room the back seat is a failure for me. This as you say and it is a CUV auto has a great drag of .25, 378 miles battery pack and clearly some serious internal room. Love the Suicide Doors.

Yeah...I could see where a SUV thingy might be a better design than a sedan.

Seeing as I am a small dude, a midsized sedan works best for me, while a SUV thingy works best for you as you are a giant!!!

All is good...different needs for different people!

Ill praise the Faraday....this Faraday SUV thingy looks 1000000000000000 times better than the Tesla Model X!!!

I dont like the way it looks....its an SUV type thing...YUK!

But everything about it, if true, is awesome...

Ill still drool over a now 5 year old design in a Tesla Model S.

Im surprised it took this long to kill it.

Question.

Is the 5 Series GT still sold?

Maybe they should kill that one too at the same time...

50 minutes ago, balthazar said:

• 99% of all vehicles out there are front engine- that doesn't define the Corvette.
• Tons of vehicles are RWD- - that doesn't define the Corvette.
• 2-seats, I'll give you that one. But most every mid-engined car ever conceived is a 2-seater also.
• 5.7L / 350 first appeared for 1968, but it also had a 265, 283, 305, 327, 346, 364, 376, 396, 400, 427 and 454. Some of the most valuable & coveted ones are the 7.0Ls- displacement doesn't define the Corvette.

There's no reason it cannot continue to evolve with a mid-engined variant. 

Exactly.

Those 396,427 and especially 454 Vettes were muscle cars rather than sports cars...

I said that earlier. And what I meant to say was that had the Vette not transformed itself into a muscle car in the mid to late 1960s unto the early 1970s to become a muscle car, it be dead since muscle cars were all the craze back then and quite frankly, the mid sized muscle cars and pony cars would just destroy the Vette in quarter mile times and THAT was the performance metric to go by at that point in time...

And like I said earlier...Mr. Duntov wanted mid-engine for the Vette from the early 1960s...

Maybe at that point in time it was best that the Vette stayed the way it was and still is...

But in 2017...it needs to evolve again...

The Vette always got with the times. It changed and shifted its image...

From roadster only to coupe and roadster, to muscle car persona to abandon its roadster image to recapture its roadster image to become a GT car etc...

Now, that image may have to shift again...to become mid-engined...but it aint as if the Vette did not have experimental cracks at it either...and almost from the get go...from the 2nd generation(like the pic I posted)....and then the 3rd generation...and then the 4rth generation...

A 5th generation too was conconcted as a maybe mid engine Vette show car...(I dont feel like posting all the experimental CERV cars and other mid engined show car Vettes)

 A mid-engined 7 generation would have been a reality if it werent for a bankruptcy...so we wait for that reality to come to fruition in the 8th generation...

But that is 7 generations of Corvette of GM and Chevrolet toying with that idea...that would be 50 some odd years of Chevy thinking about it...

Therefore...mid-engine Vettes are practically a Vette formula anyway you wanna slice it...deny it or accept it SMK.

So I dont know what the problem is for nay sayers  when it comes to mid-engined Corvettes...

14 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Touring? No status symbols for old women in Rancho Santa Fe.

Mercedes also nearly killed racing in the crash in 1955.

Hey if you can be pointless I can too.

But to make a real point Benz was a real leading edge company till 1955 then they went into moderate mode. They have never reached the level they once were. Today F1 is all about just hiring the right designer, engineer and drivers. It has little to do with real customer cars any more.

On ‎2016‎-‎12‎-‎25 at 11:07 PM, Wings4Life(BANNED) said:

Olds.

you're the best.. Love you like a Greek brother man.  I swear we are far more alike than you think. And that's not the 7 Star Metaxa talking either, haha.  I too hosted Christmas dinner, and everyone is gone home now and my feet are up, watching Sulley that I just rented and coffee black and hot beside me.  

Now lets talk shop......

Nobody appreciates and loves Detroit iron more than me, no how, no way.  My dad built Cadillac's in the 60's and 70's and he did all his own repairs and I was right there by his side long before I found girls interesting. I have busted my own knuckles on enough of them as well,  restoring them or just hot rodding them.  So I can certainly appreciate the sound of a 426 hemi, or Boss 302, or just  healthy SBC.

 

But let's compare apples to apples. Any V8 sounds great with big pipes and low restriction deep base exhaust.  Assuming you can live with the droning, it is music to my ears too, both OHV and OHC. Take a minute and listen to the end of this video where they add a simple 3" cat back system and Magnaflow mufflers.  Fast forward to the end, and you will see what I mean.  A DOHC sounds good revving, but it really needs to be heard under load.  It is a mechanical symphony. Obviously it is a subjective statement, but come on man.....it is glorious.  And that is not even with a G350 5.2L, just an everyday coyote.  

 

 

Now compare to a cat back Camaro SS.  Let me know if you still feel the same way.  

 

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1. What the hell did you to get yourself banned?

A little vigil song for you my Greek brother. Ill be doing a zebekiko in your honour.

2. To answer your question. That coyote sounds fantastic.

Sorry though...pushrod V8 sounds is how I prefer them.

9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

To OldsHurst, I was talking more about these SL's  No the SLR or SLS or anything like that.

Not exactly the Nurburgring killers there, they are touring cars.

Mercedes has won three F1 championships in a row, their racing legacy is in pretty good shape.  They build the fastest race car in the world, nothing can beat a W07 Hybrid around a track.

Yeah...but...

The SL lineage STARTED as a race car...and the 2nd one to the right is EXACTLY that car...except that one in the pic was sold to the public as a gentleman's GT car, but its skeleton is of a pure bred race car.

Then the next gen came along and then the SL became a GT car, that your pic depicts perfectly as the consequent generations were only boulevard cruisers but the last gen SLS went back to its roots from a visual perspective and a vocational one too...as a race inspired retro car car that actually had the goods to race...

Well...I did say V16 TYPE car....not exactly a V16 or the show car from a decade ago...

But a stately sedan and/or coupe or an SUV higher than the Escalade for that matter...

A top tier offering is what I meant that is NOT a sports car...

But yeah...what you said Hyper in quoting me...

And most definitely a sports car later on...later later on...like in 2025 like you said...

9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The Corvette has been front engine, rear drive and 2 seats since 1953.  It has had a pushrod V8 since 1955 (save for a couple years of ZR1 in the early 90s).  They used a 5.7 liter V8 from 1972 to 2005.  The Corvette is the poster child of sticking to the formula.  And it is a formula that works.

Not quite accurate....

It was a roadster ONLY for the first 10 years of its life...

Then a coupe was introduced in its 2nd generation...

and in this generation...it was a sports car, a roadster and a MUSCLE CAR in its last years...

Then the 3rd generation happened...

It was a roadster, a sports car, a muscle car only to lose its roadster and muscle car ways half way in its life cycle only to become a fat disco car...

Then the 4rth gen happened when it returned to its sports car ways.. NO NOT ROADSTER WAYS...not in the beginning...the roadster came later...

Then the GT version also happened in its last days as a 4rth gen...

And ever since then...it has evolved into a BRAND, a RACE CAR, a FORMIDABLE GT car....to boot...its visionary father, Mr. Duntov, from as early as the C1 Vette, and unto the C2 Vette, HE WANTED THE VETTE TO BE MID-ENGINED....WAAAAAAAY BEFORE FERRUCCIO LAMBO and ENZO FERRARI DID THEIR SPORTS CARS MID-ENGINED....

The M-B SL was not a track car?

You mean this one?

Or do you mean this one?

Because the latter was a tube framed race car turned into a gentleman's GT road car and the former was a gentleman's GT road car first and then was made into a race car...either way...the first and last editions of the SL were in fact race cars...

Im surprised you wanted to go with that argument SMK...

also...I have mentioned to you and then Hyper that Cadillac as NO racing heritage....it has dabbled in it once or twice in the beginning of the last  century and in this century they seem to have gone all out but in either century...not too successful....

But Mercedes Benz has a rich history...

I said this before and Hyper has backed me up....

SMK, Cadillac does not NEED a sports car or race car...M-B does...

Cadillac needs a V16 type car..

43 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Whether a DOHC V8 sounds better or a Pushrod V8 sounds better is just the difference between Vanilla cake with Chocolate icing or Chocolate cake with vanilla icing.. 

They are two different kinds of great. I love both. 

Me too.

I LOVE both....I mean....who doesnt love a Ferrari V8 wailing?

Ill throw a bone to Wings as I think this DOHC V8 sounds BETTER than a Ferrari DOHC V8..and I LOVE Ferrari V8 sounds!

Ill demonstrate:

21 hours ago, Wings4Life said:

There simply is no V8 sound as good as a DOHC.  

1. Let me first wish you Merry Xmas in Greek.

2. Im quite neutral with what you have said, In agreement even with 99.99% of what you wrote, but you know me, I MUST find something you said to pick on!!! Yes, even on XMAS day...even when I have a house full of family and friends!

That quote up above....

THIS ONE:

Quote

There simply is no V8 sound as good as a DOHC.  

UMMMM....NO!!!!

Although DOHC V8s do sound good....you my dear friend...you come from Detroit even. You my friend, even has a MOPAR...

Let me demonstrate:

So....

2 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Finally GM entering modern times with a DOHC V8

I HATE THIS ARGUMENT WITH A PASSION!!!!

From wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overhead_camshaft

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History

Early use

Among the first cars to utilize engines with single overhead camshafts were the Maudslay designed by Alexander Craig and introduced in 1902^[39] and the Marr Auto Car designed by Michigan native Walter Lorenzo Marr in 1903.^[40][41] The first DOHC car was the 1912 Peugeot which won the French Grand Prix at Dieppe that year. This car was powered by a straight-4 engine designed by Ernest Henry under the guidance of the technically knowledgeable racing drivers Paul Zuccarelli and Georges Boillot. Boillot, who drove the winning car that year, won the French Grand Prix for Peugeot again in 1913 but was beaten in 1914 by the SOHC Mercedes of Christian Lautenschlager.

 

 

From wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overhead_valve_engine

Developments

The overhead valve internal combustion engine was invented in 1898, in Detroit, by bicycle manufacturer Walter Lorenzo Marr, who built a motor-trike that year with a one-cylinder OHV engine with a bore and stroke of 3 inches each.^[2] In 1900, Marr was hired as chief engineer at the Buick Auto-Vim and Power Company in Detroit, where he worked until 1902. Marr said he got the idea of overhead valves when making the small tricycle engine, because that was the only way he could get the valves to fit.^[3] Marr's engine employed pushrod-actuated rocker arms, which in turn pushed valves parallel to the pistons, and this is still in use today. This contrasts with previous designs which made use of side valves and sleeve valves. Marr left Buick briefly to start his own automobile company in 1902, the Marr Auto-Car, and made a handful of cars with overhead valve engines, before coming back to Buick in 1904. The OHV engine was patented in 1902 (awarded 1904) by Buick's second chief engineer Eugene Richard, at the Buick Manufacturing Company, precursor to the Buick Motor Company. The world's first production overhead valve engine was put into the first production Buick automobile, the 1904 Model B, which used a 2-cylinder Flat twin engine, with 2 valves in each head. The engine was of course designed by Marr.

 

Valve-In-Head engine, illustration from 1904 patent, Buick Manufacturing Company

Eugene Richard of the Buick Manufacturing Company was awarded US Patent #771,095 in 1904 for the valve in head engine. It included rocker arms and push rods, a water jacket for the head which communicated with the one in the cylinder block, and lifters pushed by a camshaft with a 2-to-1 gearing ratio to the crankshaft. Arthur Chevrolet was awarded US Patent #1,744,526 for an adapter that could be applied to an existing engine, thus transforming it into an Overhead Valve Engine.

In 1949, Oldsmobile introduced the Rocket V8. It was the first high-compression I-head design, and is the archetype for most modern pushrod engines. General Motors is the world's largest pushrod engine producer,^{[citation needed]} producing both I4, V6 and V8 pushrod engines.

 

MODERN?

What do you mean by modern?

This is such a tired argument.

Only non-car people are allowed to have that opinion of OHC engines being more  modern...

Leaving aside all the state of the art tech behind the GM V8s...I dont ever want to hear this argument from anybody in an automotive forum...EVER!

Thanx Hyper for acknowledging me....

Both rants of mine were not really intended for you, even though it seemed like it was.

I knew you knew about the military grade BS...

Sorry if I did sound like an arrogant condescending prick...

In this case...more for Wings and the Admin....I felt it was needed for me to be a condescending prick so my  voice could actually be heard.

Thanx again Hyper for acknowledging me...

4 hours ago, Intrepidation said:

While it is marketing, its not technically untrue. The military does use aluminum is its equipment, from aircraft to weapons to ships. Tanks don't solely make up the US Military. For example, they use 5000-series - 7000-series aluminum. The F-150 is made with 6000-series aluminum. This grade of aluminum  would technically be used in military applications, thereby, according to Ford, making it "military grade".

Yes...I know.

But...they said tanks...'they' as in the parties in this thread that are discussing...

And this:

From wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_alloy

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The International Alloy Designation System is the most widely accepted naming scheme for wrought alloys. Each alloy is given a four-digit number, where the first digit indicates the major alloying elements, the second — if different from 0 — indicates a variation of the alloy, and the third and fourth digits identify the specific alloy in the series. For example, in alloy 3105, the number 3 indicates the alloy is in the manganese series, 1 indicates the first modification of alloy 3005, and finally 05 identifies it in the 3000 series.^[7]

• 1000 series are essentially pure aluminium with a minimum 99% aluminium content by weight and can be work hardened.
• 2000 series are alloyed with copper, can be precipitation hardened to strengths comparable to steel. Formerly referred to as duralumin, they were once the most common aerospace alloys, but were susceptible to stress corrosion cracking and are increasingly replaced by 7000 series in new designs.
• 3000 series are alloyed with manganese, and can be work hardened.
• 4000 series are alloyed with silicon. They are also known as silumin.
• 5000 series are alloyed with magnesium.
• 6000 series are alloyed with magnesium and silicon. They are easy to machine, are weldable, and can be precipitation hardened, but not to the high strengths that 2000 and 7000 can reach. 6061 alloy is one of the most commonly used general-purpose aluminium alloys.
• 7000 series are alloyed with zinc, and can be precipitation hardened to the highest strengths of any aluminium alloy (ultimate tensile strength up to 700 MPa for the 7068 alloy).
• 8000 series are alloyed with other elements which are not covered by other series. Aluminium-lithium alloys are an example

 

The link also provides more info...

And if one chooses to read the link, one will see that there are different levels between the series as well, and 6000 series as the bolded part says, is used in almost everywhere in any domain...civilian or military...

Meaning what I said about military grade being marketing bullshyte 101  very very very very very ACCURATE!!!

If the admin at CheersandGears would stop being arrogant sometimes and just listen to what I have to say and the admin could stop trying to act as if they know it all, all the time...maybe they could learn something from time to time....

I dont often say bold and factual things...but when I do....its because there is TRUTH to what I say...

Sometimes Im 100% accurate, sometimes Im missing a tiny piece of information....but in any case....Im very very very very very ACCURATE!!!

Thanx for trying to school me, but yet again...'tis you that needs to take a step back to rethink it all...

Yeah....like the P-38 incident....

I havent gone over that.....

Its a shame because the REAL and ACCURATE source of info that I got is lost forever...what we have left is the romantic tale of the P-38...

But then again...I did mention tail fins...but your ego couldnt allow me being even PARTIALLY right to meet me in the middle....what we did get was MY POSTS WERE ERASED!!!

MERRY XMAS NON THE LESS!!!

1. There is no such thing as 'military' grade aluminium. That is marketing bullshyte 101.

2. Metals that are military grade mean different things for different purposes and applications. Sometimes cost is the qualifier. Yes...cheaper in price could also dictate a metal as military grade...something to think about. Sometimes its thickness. Sometimes its strength...

3. Tanks are not made with aluminium.

Steel. That is the material of choice for tanks. You guys did say tanks...armoured vehicles use aluminum in certain areas. Not tanks.

Depleted uranium is used on the Abrams M1A tank between sheets of steel for its armor plating...

Modern tanks as in new generation tanks use newly engineered composite materials in the ceramic family...

There is some form of aluminium that is used in tanks...but that is not what is meant by military grade and this aluminum is called aluminium oxide...not the same material at all...

You guys could continue arguing now...

My message to you Stew. Its what Clark says...

And its not the Merry Xmas or Happy Hanukkah thing that he says...

For all I know, you are not religious or Jewish...

Kiss my ass and kiss your ass, Stew!

PSS:

I reread what I wrote...I did not want to sound like a condescending prick when I referred to you as still owning money on it and it sucking...

What I meant was, that it sucked you getting into a car accident and totalling your car BEFORE you got a chance to pay her off...

With that being said...buy yourself a car/cuv/suv that fits your family needs now that does not stray far off from what you originally had as a plan when you bought your FORD....Escape...

And yes....house budget and house money for mortgage comes waaaay before extravagant car purchases...whether its a Cadillac ATS or VW GTI...

Get yourself another Escape...new or used or that $24 000 used Lincoln, if that Lincoln does not break your bank account for your house plans that you had...

8 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Oy, not cool.  Take as much time as you can figuring out what you want to move on to.  I kept my rebound car 3 munts and I bought it brand new.

Sound advice!!!

You owe money on it....

That sucks. I hope you get enough insurance money from her that you could pay her off. There was a thread a couple of days ago about being upside down....so buy cheap to pay off quickly...

You are still young, you got time...you could buy that car you always wanted later on in life.

Yeah yeah...YOLO.

Hey...its not as if you didnt own a killer Mustang just a few years ago. LOL

You are a fit young lad, I assume. You still have a life time ahead of you...make the right financial choices now, and you will be laughing all the way to the bank later...PATIENCE is what humanity needs to re-learn today.

Hey...if all things go our way...we live until 80...make right financial decisions now and enjoy your toys at 50...

Like I said, Im assuming you are a fit young lad...at 50 you probably would still look and feel like you are 30...

Catch my drift?

Its a cleaner look that is for sure. Dials that is.

Ive driven both the TLX and the new 2017 Fusion both with the dial shifters in which I own the previous models where my wife's 2013 Fusion and my 2012 TL have the regular stick.

OK...I personally prefer the clean look and the less claustrophobic reality at the center console but....when the actual shifting out of gear is concerned , I much prefer the old skool way with the stick...

To boot, if I wanted a real clean and waaaay less claustrophobic look at the middle, I much prefer to have a bench seat with an arm rest folding down and up and a column shifter. REAL old skool way!!!

Shyyyyte dude!!!

Im sorry to hear of your accident. And that was a biiiig accident. It looks like a severe impact even though both vehicles saved the lives of all parties involved.

Im sure glad you are alright though.

Roxy is a goner though. I guess. That sucks as I was happy that you were a Ford owner. Hopefully you get your ass in another Ford???!!!

To tell you the truth, I dont like the new face of the Escape. I much prefer Roxy's.

Then again, the Edge is one beauty of an SUV. That face looks awesome on the Edge.

Then there is the new Fusion. 2.7Ecoboost. I can hear it calling your name.

PS: Ford is an official sponsor of our beloved Dallas Cowboys...

45 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

Good points. Did not think it through. I was excited for a moment thinking of what could be.

I am excited to maybe to have a mid-engined Zora C8 Vette and hopefully the Ford GT will still be in production and to see finally 2 great American cars on top of the food chain sport car scene both of them finally with the same type of chassis do battle against each other and the rest of world...

On the lower end?

That us why there is Mustang versus Camaro. With the Camaro (and Mustang) pushing the performance envelope SURPASSING the BASE Corvette....why would anybody want to wish for a more mundane Corvette.

That to me would kill the buzz for a Corvette...

Unless the Corvette goes its own way and becomes its own brand....then and only then will there be room for a SLOWER Corvette...

As branded a Chevy....I dont think ANY Vette owner wants his Vette being beaten by a turbo 4 cylinder lesser brother Camaro...or worse...a FORD by the way of an ecoboosted 4 cylinder Mustang...

As its own brand though....a slower Vette owner buys into the brand and not the car per se...

Just how I view things..not saying you are wrong and Im right...just my POV.

You could be right and a TTV6 base Vette would just be out of this world...

Well....GM's biggest market is China.

I guess GM will pay the fine and not say another word about it. Suck it up they will just to sell more Buicks...

Could you blame them though?

*SIGH*

Why the sigh?

Because although I understand its karma kicking the US in the ass for similar global foreign policy and economic strong arming that the US has done...it sucks when a country like China flexes its muscles like that!  (slave labour practices, environmental carelessness, cyber hacking, corporate thievery)

(The USA was NEVER that outlaw-ish.....well...except from the 1980s and on when us North Americans allowed Wallstreet to take-over our lives)

OK...this rant does NOT make me feel any better...

@smk4565

I get what you are saying. And I would agree to that 100% if Cadillac had its house together. It does not. It needs other products a tad more than a sports car. It needs products that clearly define what Cadillac is. And as of now, it only has 1 product that clearly defines what Cadillac is and what consumers want of Cadillac....just 1. And that is the Escalade. Not even the CT6 is that product. Therefore a sports car for Cadillacwould just be a flop.

@Wings4Life

I also agree to what you said. Along with SMK's post regarding base trims and base prices for Corvettes.

HOWEVER...

A BASE V8 450 horse Vette  in the 50 000 dollar range is where we are at now!

No need to fix that as that is as perfect as it gets for sports car enthusiasts, Vette fans and mid-life crisis folk alike that want a cheap, fast car. The Corvette has NEVER strayed from that...only improved upon what base gets you...

If one does not want 450 horses under the hood from a V8, there is another RWD coupe from Chevrolet (or Ford for that matter) with a plethora of engine choices and price tags to fit their needs....the Vette as is in base form does not need to retract its performance numbers and horsepower figures and dummy down for anybody!!! Turbo V6 as base engine for Vette? Why? No need to do that!!!! Base V8 nets you 450 horses that are quite tame and fuel efficient and wild when need be... Electric assist  motors might be welcomed though. (I would love to see that in the Ford GT as well)

It does however need to go up with its performance numbers and possibly its price tag a tad to re-invent itself at the higher trims to be able to continue to do battle with the big boys at the top of the sports car food chain. Yes...I am talking about 100% mid-engined to do REAL battle with Ford GTs and mid-engined Ferraris and Porsche 917s and Lamborghini Aventadors...

No...Cadillac does NOT need to do that....and I know you Wings, you agree with me for that, but 'tis Corvette that needs to do that...and a Corvette shall ALWAYS remain a Chevy...unless Chevy has the guts to make the Vette into its own brand...

Its got the cachet to do so...hell....the Vette name has got MORE brand cachet than Cadillac has...

Any driver with a Quebec driver's license with Quebec license plates...

Man. Woman. Young male or female adult. Old male or female. Chinese Quebecker, French Quebecker, Pakistani Quebecker, Greek Quebecker, Italian Quebecker, English Quebecker. It dont matter. We all suck...yes...including me.

We all own the road. We all tailgate. We all have no courtesy. And we all speed.

There is a reason why the ONLY city in North America (Montreal) does not allow right turns on red lights. Because Quebeckers, especially those from Montreal, suck as drivers!

Therefore, I fear everyone...including myself. I mean...I could do just as much damage to my car with my foolishness as the guy in the next lane to me...