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PS: I am VERY proud of those Ancient Greeks. For those very reasons you mentioned.

I LOOOVE YOU AMERICANS just because Americans have those very same Ancient Greek qualities!

2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

but Ford is going balls deep investing and improving in ALL electrification, as well as other propulsion options, as well as traditional ICE as well as infrastructure, blah blah blah.  As any responsible full line automaker should.  What spoils my feta, is comments about how North America is dragging our feet, when we clearly are not.  

Yeah but @A Horse With No Name

WHEN Wings argues, he trolls first, THEN he discusses rationally.

I play his game. But I go to his jugular IMMEDIATELY so I could get his HONEST opinion out as quickly as I can.

I like Wings a lot. I just play his game better than he does!

1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I think the best response here is Greek in nature..avoid false dichotomies.  Why can't we have both cool electric vehicles and cool ICE vehicles?

Dfelt loves his Trailblazer SS and his Escalade, Suavailant wants a large luxury car, I raced cars for years, was involved with the SCCA and the Porsche Club of America, among others...worked as a pit crew member of a race team...Drew has a vintage Olds Torando...the people here who advocate for electrics also love internally combustive machines just fine.

Give me a 49 mercury, please!

I dont know why the detractors are sooooo negative about this whole thing.

All @ocnblu has to say is that some of us are dreamers...yet the irony is that some far off lands are making that dream come true.

Making his statement false and at the same time making that statement about him being a dreamer....

How?

Well, if a dream is worked hard at to become a reality, it aint a dream anymore, its reality...

And if a detractor like @ocnblu is soooooo not wanting to change and THAT is his dream so things stay the same, but they wont, and all signs point that EVs ARE the future, then in turn HE becomes the dreamer...

Its quite deep!

This man dreamt a little dream, and he too had detractors. They called him a dreamer...

5 hours ago, Wings4Life said:

Logic olds?

I did not define the logic of American tastes for large, roomy, comfortable trucks, SUV's, 4WD's, minivans, etc., that is just how it is......but I do happen to enjoy it and participate in it, here in America.  And as long as gas is cheap and quick and easy and everywhere, we will continue to do so.  

Today, a $30K Focus EV, $40K Bolt EV and $100K S or X all have the same thing in common; severe limitations and restrictions for daily use and they don't generate any profits for their manufacturers.  Tomorrow, that may change, to what degree nobody knows and I can't speak for all automakers, but Ford is going balls deep investing and improving in ALL electrification, as well as other propulsion options, as well as traditional ICE as well as infrastructure, blah blah blah.  As any responsible full line automaker should.  What spoils my feta, is comments about how North America is dragging our feet, when we clearly are not.  

Can't wait to hear you say this is not about me again.

It aint...

Its about YOUR inability to accept change and YOU trying to DETRACT with lame excuses..

Archimedes is Greek.

So are you.

Archimedes was ballsy.

YOU are not.

GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND A LEVER LONG ENOUGH AND I WILL MOVE THE WORLD!

There is a message there for YOU to decipher. Dont cry about it. Argue like how we Greeks argue. With logic.

Logic. A Greek word AND thought process...

The American people that have your thought process have lost that pioneering spirit they once had.

Like Mr. Horse said, people like you want the future, but dont want to work at it...

An infrastructure NEEDS to be put into place....

When the horseless carriage was first  made in the late 1880s and continued on into the 1900s, there was no infrastructure for it.

THAT did not matter as humans at THAT point in time still lived like Archimedes lived...

Today though, the automobile and the computer has altered our lives a lot.

If an electric infrastructure is NEVER to be put into place, the EV will NEVER take flight as too many people like yourself who have hidden biases AGAINST the EV will ALWAYS detract with FALSEHOODS...

This argument AINT about YOU personally. But it IS about YOUR blatant LIES!!!

Stop lying!

So much for the pioneering spirit of those first Americans trying to colonize the West....

So much for the pioneering spirit of Henry Ford....

So much for Wings being Greek.

Archimedes is rolling in his grave hearing Wings' excuses.....

10 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

My quote clearly proved you wrong, American industry is also making a push toward electricity.

And I stand by my remark, that when EV's are not severely limited and expensive, then Americans will start buying them. Last I looked, that is not the case.  We can't tow our boats and trailers and large SUV's with a Bolt or Tesla S, and we also can't afford what little there is available.

Does that response really warrant a rant from you olds?

That is your response?

Not every red blooded American has a boat or trailer...

In fact, most Americans dont enjoy that life style...

Actually, most Americans could benefit GREATLY  from DAILY DRIVING  a PURE EV...

Its not as if red blooded Americans go to the Hamptons DAILY with their boats...

If a red blooded American could own a boat, a red blooded American could own a SUV of some sort as a SECOND car to tow said boat...in fact, MANY red blooded Americans own MULTIPLE cars...owning a pure EV as a primary car wont affect the red blooded American Dream lifestyle...

Sorry Wings...try again....because this logic you have put forth does not pass muster...just poor excuses to not want to adapt to what is happening...

In 2009, my wife drove around in a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder Mazda 3 sedan.

Flimsy body panels, cheap plasticky interior. Too bloody small for my tastes. Especially for my daily driven tastes.

But...fun to drive the little bugger was...so... my first choice would be:

They say the 3Speed has too much torque steer making it not fun to drive. OK...ill just take the 2.3 liter sedan one instead. 3speed pictured. Only because I like the way the 3Speed looks.

Second choice:

We would still own that Mazda 3, but I decided that I have a heart so when my deadbeat (he aint a deadbeat anymore) brother-n-law decided to get a job, he needed a car, so I, without the consent of my wife, his sister, I gave him the car. My mother-n-law gave me some cash for it and that is when I bought the wife the 2013 1.6liter ecoboost Fusion.

I love driving that car too. So...

But it be the 2.0 ecoboost

The other day, a good customer of mine bought a used Super Epsilon Impala. He had a W-Body Impala SS. The V8 one. Actually, he still has it. 300 000 kilometers(180 000 miles or so), doors in the back wont open. A few dents. Muffler needs replacing but the motor and transmission are in good shape. He is selling it for $1000 CDN.

So, For this thread, Im buying it. I did own an Impala SS myself for real. A 2005 3.8liter supercharged one...

Im sure I could find a 2015 Ford Mustang ecoboost for about 20 000...

And for the new car.

I believe  a Chevy Cruze starts below 20 grand.

So that.

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sense and charge up to 350 kW in the period of a quick Coffee break.

 Kinda removes all your theories about the whole matter really.

Irony, the company you work for will help Europe with all that crazy EPA stuff and any compromises EVs have...but the US will have to wait because the US is sooooo ahead of the curve here...

As for the rest...you brought the heat unto yourself. No crazy talk, huh?

LOL

Just now, Wings4Life said:

The focus is not on you wings.

 

LOL

Its not....its YOUR message that YOU keep on pounding....

LOL

So....riddle me this Batman.

Any rebuttals or are you gonna laugh out loud whining your name was mentioned because YOUR message is stupid?

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sense and charge up to 350 kW in the period of a quick Coffee break.

So much for your compromised EV theory, huh Wings?

So...when will Americans start buying EVs?

And Ford and GM will help build that network in Europe...

Wings, you are one funny guy....

WINGS....

From the article from the OP

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Europe is not standing by waiting for Tesla or American Auto companies to drive EV auto's. Instead Europe has built the following consortium of Auto companies who have all chosen to contribute an equal amount to building the next generation charger network. VW, GM, BMW, Daimler, FORDFCA, Hyundai, Volvo and Jaguar Land Rover have choosen to build 400 locations over the next 3 years that will sense and charge up to 350 kW in the period of a quick Coffee break.

There is a message there....

Its there for you .... to decipher...

GM and Ford have decided to spend money on European soil for this....

Good luck with the slogan that says something about making something or other great again...

Wings...I dont know where the phoque YOU get YOUR info from....

All the Nordic European nations including Germany are gonna ban the sale of gasoline engined cars in the next 20-30 years...

Paris, France is where all this started out in a treaty that many countries signed....California as a State agrees...1-2 years ago...

Toyota itself has said it will stop producing gasoline powered cars in 20-30 years from now....

I dont know what your link says, quite frankly I dont give a damn....

My info can be googled at any time....feel free to do so..

EVs are THE thing going forward....

Its funny as Ford and GM also thinks that....but in Europe only....

America is starting to become ass backwards as Europe and Greece once were...

Not so much in Canada though....

Well....Western Canada is a toss up...

There are a lot of Tories down that way though, explains a lot!

......

Comeback of the decade?

Detroit is Toronto's suburb...

Get outta here with that garbage you spew including your misdirections that Americans will buy EVs when EVs will have no compromises...

1. EVs NOW have no compromises.

2. The rest of the world sees that....Americans like yourself like to have a blindfold across your eyes...

OH...YOUR links are usually full of shyte!!!

PS... The focus is NOT on you....

YOU want it to be on you....

Like I said....getta outta here with that crap that you spew regarding EVs, Europe, Canada and your whining that I am focusing on you..

YOUR  message is flawed, full of shyte and flat out lies....

15 hours ago, Wings4Life said:

http://newatlas.com/ev-charging-station-network-united-states/44522/

 

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DOW is up in record high numbers....HA!!!

De-regulation in the 1980s by the guy you have in the pic there started a greed on Wall Street that continues on today...

I cringe when I hear anything coming out of Wall Street because I simply don't trust ANYTHING they say...

Ford of Europe and GM of Europe's shares probably went up...which benefits Detroit headquarters...but that is good for Europe's future not America's...

Wings...this is about the EV infrastructure...in Europe...

....

And yes...If the US would embark on building a 350kW infrastructure in North America. Canada and Mexico would jump on board and we could have a new Industrial revolution...

6 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I think the crumbling EU and the rise of infighting among European countries wills end shock waves through the European auto industry. Plus a lot of people will want to move production out of England now that they are no longer part of the EU.

Interesting times!

I did not think of the Brexit...I forgot about it...OOPSIES!

but it sure is an interesting time...

1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I could really see the French doing this.

But they would have to be willing to have a long term cash infusion to get the three to market.

I think they are willing.

Tesla could boost their own flagging car industry.

Tesla could put a boost in their industry.

Maybe at the expense of Citroen or Peugeot or Renault?

It don't matter. If their car industry could still employ Frenchies...and their factories don't end up being vacant....

Germany has put a strangle hold on many European car manufacturing countries...

Letn us not go too far into this...

Bottom line is that Europe and its people are looking into the future to try to better their transport and pollution.

To better the lives of every European.

To live in a European Dream.

7 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Exactly why I said in the Cadillac thread that our luxury cars will  eventually be built to Chinese tastes and not US tastes.

 

Americans want all of the benefits of living in a first world, first rate society with none of th effort...let me know how that works out for them...

Tesla has enormous cash flow problems that will get orders of magnitude worse under the Trump administration, my thought is put a fork in it, but I could be wrong...and hope that I am.

I aint arguing there!

But...Tesla could move their headquarters to another country. Sure the mega battery factory will still be in the States, but they could move their headquarters elsewhere...and France...

France already has told Tesla they could use one of their old Nuclear electricity producing plants to use for building their cars  AND France WILL fit the bill for converting that plant if they choose to move there...

If Europe surpasses the USA for electric car sales along with China...Tesla might bolt out of the US...with little money involved as I imagine England or some Nordic country would court them with France...

Coincidently...that is why I think Tesla will survive and continue on...

Because the both the industry and the people view Tesla as the benchmark.

The industry does not want to admit this...but the consumer is not shy to express that opinion.

Tesla is the one to continue to innovate AND IMPLEMENT these changes without HESITATION.

Unless Tesla STOPS their passion for electrification and another player sweeps in to take their place...I don't see Tesla stumbling.

We make fun of Tesla with some of their moves and decisions...

But this is a NEW formula where nothing is written to base of what must be done.

Tesla is the one to write the formula going forward and many of their ideas WILL be misses.

But THAT is how technology rolls anyhow...like I said...if Tesla continues with their passion for electrification...Tesla aint going nowhere but forwards.

Europe and China sadly...looks like THEY will be the NEXT hubbub of giving us the way of how we humans live in the current future and will leave the USA in the dust...in the past...

Make America Great Again...

Sure!

Yup...I wanted to comment on this.

It goes to show you how the rest of the planet seems to want to embrace electricity while us in North America are dragging our feet.

IRONY...at the turn of the last century...the 1900s...when the industrial revolution was starting to heat up...England and the USA was at the forefront of this revolution and the USA as a young nation exploded unto the scene with its youthful enthusiasm regarding revolutionary life style changes...

Sure there were other nations that were industrializing themselves, but not at the fervour and rate the USA was.

At the turn of this century...The USA is like a caveman, grunting and scratching his testicles reminiscing about the  good 'ole days of making America great again...but little do they understand that moving forward into this world of electrification WILL make America great again...

FORD of Europe and GM of Europe are in this with the other European car makers...

You add Tesla into the mix and you got the NEW Detroit Big 3 LEADING the way...

TESLA is the GIANT in this and GM is just about the biggest automobile car manufacturer again...Hyundai might have something to say about that...but it don't matter...GM still beats Hyundai in innovations...IF ONLY AMERICA UNCUFFS GM TO LEAD THE WAY IN THE USA AS WELL!!!

Yes with ELECTRIFICATION...

Johan de Nysschen wants to take Cadillac racing with fossil fuel technology...

What a BACKWARRDS step that is...

There is an F1 Electric car race in the making as we speak...

Cadillac should do that instead...but NO!

Americans still believe the V8 motor is the way to go...

The V8 motor my friends is a dying breed....

Tesla has changed that mind set...

OK...

Now for a more commoner hot 100 list.

1958 Plymouth Fury

1966-1967 Pontiac GTO convertible

Any Ford Mustang...minus the Mustang II 1974-1978 years. And the ugly 1973 model year.

Pictured here is a new one.

1932 and 1933 Ford Hot Rods.

Any Chevrolet Impala that actually was produced as a stylish, luxurious for a Chevy family hauler.

From 1958 to 1970. Then from 2014 to today. 1994-1996 could be included...

1967 pic.

Unfortunately Ive never owned a top 100 hot car that deserves to be on a list where people actually would agree that the cars I owned in question are truly top 100 hot cars.

SO...here is what Id start with.

Any Cadillac Eldorado from 1957 all the way to 1970. Ill post a pic of a chopped 1957 version.

Early 1960s Lincoln Continental

1955 Chrysler C300

1965 Buick Riviera. 1964 works too, but its hotter when those headlights are hide-a-ways

1966 Oldsmobile Toronado

1936 Mercedes Benz 500K

1935-1936 Duesenberg SSJ...or an early 30s boat tail J

1 hour ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Guys, relax. Chevy was already competing in IMSA, and this body is on an established chassis. It also uses the engine it has been for several years. GM was going to race anyway, there's no harm in them rebadging their effort as a Cadillac. The development costs for this were very low in the world of sports car racing.

OK....I read the article fast and kinda misinterpreted the existing established chassis part of this whole equation.

I still stand by my rant though, minus the waste of money part as really it wont cost Cadillac that much money.

I stand by what I said about racing will not cure what is ailing Cadillac even if racing does indeed bring exposure.

People that might one day buy a Cadillac TODAY and in the NEAR FUTURE dont  care about racing....irony as this whole RWD Arts and Science project when it began almost 2 decades ago was what people wanted THEN for cars and for Cadillac..maybe.

That ship has sailed...that was 20 years ago.

Today, my guy feeling tells me rich folk are aching to buy a modern Cadillac Land Yacht. Not necessarily a wobbly floaty Cadillac and not necessarily a speed demon either...

Escalade SUV extra premium luxury  and Ciel convertible and El Miraj personal coupe and 4 door sedan in my opinion is what is missing from Cadillac rather than an NSX or LFA or SLS type halo car.

The sports cars they have in the V Series cars

The pedigree to legitimize these V Series cars through this racing endeavor wont do too much to bring people into the showrooms...a sexy long sleek 4 door convertible will....and a dealership experience that is akin to a boutique car maker to  complete the package....

Instead of going racing, maybe they should go to a beauty salon for a dealership experience make-over...

WITH 1 HUGE EXCEPTION...

if Cadillac went ELECTRIC MOTOR racing...THEN it would be beneficial to its image going forward....

TECHNOLOGY.....THAT is what got them the Dewar award a 100 years ago....

Precision engineering was a breakthrough then and was part of technological advancement...

You see...this is where I think Cadillac is spinning its wheels stupidly going nowhere fast!

MONEY WASTED BIG TIME!!!

1. Cadillac's image woes have nothing to do with having a racing heritage...

First of all, Cadillac hardly has a racing heritage. What? Once or twice in their 100 plus year history Cadillac raced in maybe 5-6 races?

2. Cadillac's image woes have something to do with an award that was won by them 100 years ago and them not meeting those standards for quite some time...

The Dewar award...and how Cadillac aint the Standard of the World anymore...

THAT is what plagues Cadillac...not for the lack of racing cars in 2016...

They build a Ciel and build it right...people will come back...

V Series Cadillacs have torn the 'Ring all right...people aren't exactly breaking down the door to own a Cadillac...

I think this pic drives my point home...

And to compare...

In my eyes, just a stubby blob the Bentley is...

The Benz dont fare any better...although its less stubby and blobby but jelly beany uninspiring non-the-less...

In my eyes at least.