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It is a lot but it's also running with the Z06 in a straight line and likely pretty dang comparable around a track adding AWD. Didn't the AMGs/Ms skyrocket once they added AWD to the E63/M5?

I'm all for renewables as long as they perform with the "non renewables" and don't cost twice as much.

I agree with @Drew Dowdell. It looks pretty much perfect but I'd prefer a little smaller wheel with a little more sidewall. I know most builds involve as big of wheels that will fit into wheel wells but I'd prefer more of a 17-18' wheel here.

What do you think would be the smallest engine needed to charge the batteries faster than depleting them in an application like this? Doesn't the Volt have like a 1.2L engine that's only used as a generator? I couldn't imagine really needing anything larger than that, even though the electricity consumption will be much greater than a Volt. I'm thinking about this because, while I still think it's a great idea, that's going to add a lot of complexity and those "potential savings" goes down the drain when adding ICE maintenance to the mix. I know I'm more of an outlier with the little daily miles that I rack up but, I think if I had 70-100k to drop on a daily truck, I'd just go straight EV and get a Silverado with 400 miles or range or Lightning with 330 miles of range. There are zero future towing expeditions that would be more than trips to local lumber yards or picking up dirt/rock. 50 miles of range would suffice with a trailer in both of those instances so I wouldn't care about the massive decreased towing range. The more I think about this, the more I think the "standard" PHEV would be better here. Give it 30-50 miles of electric range then use it as a standard hybrid.

Just thinking aloud. People with skin cancer, do they go outside at all? Like ever? If people that are susceptible to skin cancer and live in strong sunlight states like Florida and California, maybe a window roofed vehicle is the least of their cancer related problems and maybe, these folk should take up residence in less sunny areas. Not to sound cruel or anything, but I dont comprehend the issue you are trying to raise here. I believe windshield and roof automotive glass already blocks UVA & UVB rays. If this is truly an issue for somebody, they're already used to tinting their vehicles because no side windows prevent UVA rays anyway.

Yep, I think I only paid like $30-ish each for my rear rotors for my MKC. It's also just easier to do the job all in one go rather than stop and run out, hang around for a bit, then continue the job an hour later when it could have already been completed. I honestly think that may be the biggest thing for me. I'd rather spend the extra $10-50, whatever it may be, to just get it done quicker. I HATE stopping to run out for something in the middle of a project.

Supposedly they'll still offer the range extender - ICE engine. I still think this is a great idea for an EV (PHEV) truck. I can't imagine how far a full tank would yield them and how long their on-board generator would allow them to power things, and a home.

Motor Trend is saying they'll be selling the work truck version this spring. I found that interesting, as well. This is the first time that I can think of that a manufacturer is starting with the cheapest model before the most expensive ones. Motor Trend, and the TFL guys, have both said that the production version of this Ram will be shown "in a few months." That's one thing that seems odd about this concept showing yesterday but the production version in only a few months? I'm sure a ton will have to change from this concept version but I do really like the seating idea. The rest is all pretty "meh". I mean there are some cool things but its mostly gimmicky. "It's still just a concept, but the real deal will break cover in a few months. The design of the production model has been locked in and keeps a lot of what the concept is showcasing. And the name is also a takeoff: The concept is Revolution, the production truck will be called Rev." https://www.motortrend.com/news/ram-1500-revolution-ev-pickup-truck-concept-first-look-review/ WTF is "Rev" for a name. I don't love Revolution but it's way better than Ram Rev or Ram 1500 Rev.

Last time I went to an O'reily's for this they said they possibly could but for like 5-10 more per rotor, it's about the same to just replace them. This was probably 10-15 years ago at this point. I'm not even sure which vehicle this was on that I was asking about, lol. they also said most modern rotors are built so much thinner that there isn't much material they even could remove to still maintain spec.

There's a real one the TFL guys have gotten to be around.

Hahaha I could tell you accidently overlooked two letters in their garbage alphanumeric naming scheme.. Speaking of which, the fact that they're naming the SUV and sedan both EQS is awful. They're literally "EQS### Sedan" and "EQS### SUV". WTF Mercedes?!?

Rooflines are probably almost identical. It's EVERYTHING in front of the damn windshield that's awful on the EQS### and what transforms the whole vehicle into a used bar of soap as opposed to just the roofline.

While I would prefer a frunk, they did mention how large the trunk was so I guess it really isn't a big deal. But, I would still prefer one. I'd like a quick place to drop bags into a plastic tub and not worry about a potential mess. I can almost guarantee I'd use it more than the trunk itself. He said S580, not EQS580. The S Class doesn't look like a worn bar of soap, right? Way to show that fanboy card here. That is a whole other level of denial to act like its shape is anything other than a boring looking piece of worn bar soap. Like I said to @oldshurst442, smk said S580, not EQS580. He was comparing the not-bar-of-soap S Class's slipperiness to the EQS's bar-of-soap sliperiness.

Exactly, they've done a phenomenal job of engineering the body on the S Class. I understand doing something different to differentiate the two but I think they...shouldn't have... The S Class has always looked great. There's no need to change the formula as much as they did.

Yeah, I think the GM platform will do great. I guess maybe I have this feeling because there hasn't been anything that I've read about this yet. It's all just been a few images with dates and they haven't done anything revolutionary in...ever... I'm curious when this is supposed to actually go on sale and how that compares to when the next gen Lightning is supposedly supposed to go into production, Aug 2025.

I believe this is a global product so it doesn't necessarily have to kill it here to still be a success. Price will certainly be an issue for buyers. EVs just cost way too much.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37917666/2022-mercedes-benz-eqs450-drive/ "After you've driven nearly every car for sale over the last 20 years, it's natural for the cars of the past to enter into your thoughts when driving something new. Humans compare experiences to gain perspective, which explains why we were daydreaming about Rolls-Royces while driving Mercedes-Benz's new electric luxury four-door, the EQS450+. Like a Rolls-Royce Phantom, the EQS is a capsule of luxury and silence that pours itself down the road with unerring grace. Unlike a hard-to-swallow Rolls, the EQS looks like an Advil Liqui-Gel. It's a lozenge of a car with what Mercedes claims is the lowest drag coefficient—0.20—of any car on sale. That slick bod whips through the air, barely disturbing it, and leads to near silence at extra-legal highway speeds. At a more reasonable 70 mph, we recorded just 64 decibels of noise inside the cabin. The 107.8-kWh battery sandwiched in the floor assists in keeping road noise to a minimum. That big battery also allows the EQS450+ to go an estimated 350 miles between charges, according to the EPA. Yet we were able to cover 400 miles on our 75-mph highway test, putting this Benz just behind our current long-range EV champ, the Lucid Air Grand Touring. Find a Level 3 DC hookup and the EQS can go from 10 percent charge to 80 percent in a claimed 31 minutes. On a typical Level 2 setup, the EQS takes just over 11 hours to go from 10 percent to 100 percent. ... ... Yet what really reminds us of the Spirit of Ecstasy is the suppleness and silence of the suspension as it glides over the tarmac. Not much of the outside permeates the EQS's cocoon. The long 126.4-inch wheelbase certainly helps attenuate bumps, but it's the tuning of the standard air-spring suspension that maintains the serenity despite our test car's 20-inch wheels wrapped in Goodyear summer rubber. ... ... Four-wheel steering turns the rear wheels up to 10 degrees in opposition of the fronts at low speeds, helping to shrink the turning circle to 35.7 feet, making this very big Benz feel like an A-class. There's an ease and luxury to the whole driving experience that is only interrupted by the brakes. Hitting the brakes in the EQS starts with energy regeneration from the motors and then blends in the stopping power of the four massive brake rotors. Stepping into the brake pedal is an initially mushy experience that doesn't slow the car much. Keep pushing and you reach a hard point where the pedal resists being moved farther. Press harder and the deceleration finally hits, but it takes a lot of pedal pressure to get meaningful braking, and by then you're sailing toward that burgundy Corolla at an alarming rate. Give yourself considerably more space than the 167 feet it takes to stop from 70 mph and 351 feet from 100 mph. Using those unnatural-feeling brakes can be largely avoided by pulling twice on the right paddle behind the steering wheel. Do so and you get the maximum regeneration (what Mercedes terms Recuperation) that largely eliminates the need to touch the brake pedal and allows one to speed up and slow down in traffic by using only the accelerator. That max regen mode won't bring the car to a complete stop though. The system slows the car to about 5 mph, but the Benz then continues to creep ahead. There is an additional regen mode called Intelligent Recuperation that requires you to hold the right paddle. It utilizes the adaptive cruise-control radar and camera systems to optimize regeneration based on the surrounding traffic, the topography, and the twistiness of the road. When engaged, it'll bring the car to a stop provided the car in front of you has stopped. It certainly works, but it's not smart enough to bring the car to a halt at a stop sign or red light and will only react to whatever the vehicle ahead is doing. Aside from this being Mercedes's first car built on its new EV platform, the other big news is the so-called Hyperscreen. The EQS450+'s optional Hyperscreen (it's standard on the EQS580) consists of three screens that are covered in a massive glass panel that spans the width of the dashboard. The three touchscreens control nearly every function in the car, from setting an interior temperature to a game of Tetris. As a new system, it takes a bit of getting used to, but after a few hours of experimentation we became comfortable with scrolling through radio stations, looking up the outside air quality, setting a destination on the native navigation system, and pairing a phone to the system. Once paired, we largely skipped Benz's system for Apple CarPlay. There is also the option of talking to the EQS. Saying "Hey, Mercedes" wakes the EQS's virtual assistant that can help with a number of controls, from setting the temperature to making a phone call. It works surprisingly well, but talking to your car always seems a little silly. The Hyperscreen certainly looks like the future, but the instrument display in front of the driver is set high. That elevated cowl is the exact opposite of the low and simple dashboard of a Tesla Model 3 or even a Model S. The brain adjusts to it, but without an engine ahead of you, why does the cowl need to be so high? We also questioned the lack of a frunk. A cabin air filter and some other ancillaries live under the fixed hood, but the EQS makes up for that deficiency with an absolutely massive amount of cargo space under the rear hatch (22 cubic feet, or enough to swallow eight carry-on suitcases). And, if that's not enough, the rear seats fold away. There's also a lot of space in the rear seat—leg-crossing, stretch-out space. Sitting in the rear seat you realize that this car is a reimagining of the S-class. In addition to the S-class appointments, performance, technology, and space inside, the EQS comes with an S-class-like price. The least expensive EQS450+ starts at $105,450, with our test car reaching $118,395 with a host of options. Pricing for the more powerful EQS580 opens at $126,945 and escalates from there. Aside from the acceleration, the smaller-motor EQS450+ is the same luxurious experience as the more powerful sibling. If you never floor it for more than a couple of seconds, you'll never feel like you should have gone with the quicker car. The EQS450+ is just as quiet, just as refined, and just and lovely as the more expensive EQS580. So, for those who don't think every car that's next to you at a red light is competition, you'll be just fine." I hate that they've made, what seems like a pretty awesome vehicle, but then decided to wrap it in what is possibly the most boring body they could have went with. The highway range is extremely impressive. I believe there are only a few EVs that actually get more highway range than their stated combined range.

Why do I expect an EV from Stellantis to just be garbage? I know Ram doesn't make anything that's truly bad but this just feels like it will be like 5 years behind what Chevy's EV Silverado will be and where the Lightning is or will be when the all-new one rolls out in 2025.

Congrats, @Drew Dowdell!

Oh definitely. What I "asked" for was just a pipedream. I do not expect anything like that to ever come out. I was just thinking aloud.

Yeah, I'm not picturing a 250-500k car here. I'm picturing something that starts at probably 100k, weighs maybe 300, 400lbs less. It will be a much cleaner body. The aero will be more built in instead of tacked on, like a 911 GT3 or most McLarens.

The only thing I may do with the Corvette that would be "above" the current one is make one that doesn't accommodate golf clubs in the rear. They could probably utilize 95% of the current vehicle but make it a tad smaller, better proportions, and it would be lighter. I think that little adjustment may make it a tad more dialed in because it definitely wouldn't be considered a GT car, it would ONLY be a sports car. I'm not trying to take anything away from the current car because it's one bad-a car but I think this would allow them to turn the wick up to 11 on every driving aspect of the car. Just a random idea...

Yeah, it was far from even "good". I just think they should probably have something in this category, considering they are only an SUV/truck company now. Yeah, our drop was pretty similar. I think Thursday night/Friday morning the lows were about -10. It was a pretty brutal 48 hours of cold and this week it'll mostly be in the 50's after today. Insane weather.

I actually just watched this on my way to work today. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Ugh, ice is terrible. I love me some snow but I do not like ice at all. Stay safe!