surreal1272

Big bummer. He was killed by death, I believe. That's the only way to kill a Lemmy. He was impervious to all other methods. RIP Lemmy.

Big bummer.

Diesel is cheaper than premium octane gas here so that is not an accurate statement at all.

It doesn't really matter, the spread between regular and premium usually is consistent. Around me it's typically 20 to 25 cents a gallon between the two no matter what the regular price is, any change in the dollar position only changes the cost per mile by extremely minor amounts as long as the spread between premium and regular is the same. The GM 6.2 is cheaper to run per mile on regular than the Ford 3.5 EB on premium which are both much cheaper to run than the Ford 3.5 EB on regular. To be clear, we're only talking about a penny per mile difference here... but over 50,000 miles, that's an extra $500 to run the Ecoboost on premium and $1000 to run it on regular, and these calculations are using highway miles. If you get fuel economy like Car and Driver did in that comparison test (both the Chevy and Ford got 16mpg), the cost per mile difference increases to about 2 cents per mile, or $1000 over 50,000 miles. But that is not the same everywhere Drew. Here in the Phoenix area, there can be a 40 to 50 cent difference between 87 and 91 octane. In the mountains here, there's an even bigger gap. Although my post was meant as tongue in cheek, there is something to be said when you are looking at gas prices today that it is easier to stomach the difference in price now, but for year ago you could not say that (most people couldn't anyway) and again they will go back up and that difference in price, where octanes are concerned, will be a much bigger deal for some folks.

Gas is always going to be cheap right?

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Good that you can be clear, since the Cadillac and Camaro actually have the numbers to back them up. The ATS is the lightest in its class by a large margin.... as is the CTS. The CT6 weighs as little as cars two classes below it... it's 740i sized and 335i weight. All the F-150 did was beat the existing lightweight by 81 lbs. I'm a simple guy... just show me the numbers. Yeah, I tried sitting in the back seat of the ATS, and gave up. Several times. It is pathetic. Guess what, the CTS does not change matters much, as my size 11 boot does not fit the tiny well behind the drivers seat. So if that is the resolve needed to obtain 'lightest weight trophies' then you can keep them. Of course, I am not the only one saying this, based on their sales. Good that you can be clear, since the Cadillac and Camaro actually have the numbers to back them up. The ATS is the lightest in its class by a large margin.... as is the CTS. The CT6 weighs as little as cars two classes below it... it's 740i sized and 335i weight. All the F-150 did was beat the existing lightweight by 81 lbs. I'm a simple guy... just show me the numbers. And they all have substantial performance gains to show for it, especially the Camaro. Base SS and base GT V8 are within 35lbs of each other, and one is smaller than the other? So not exactly revolutionary reductions. Yet one is substantially better than the other, due in no small part to its weight loss over the previous gen. it replaces while the other pretty much lateralled from the previous gen to the current (speaking of the GT only here before you get snipe happy again).

Good that you can be clear, since the Cadillac and Camaro actually have the numbers to back them up. The ATS is the lightest in its class by a large margin.... as is the CTS. The CT6 weighs as little as cars two classes below it... it's 740i sized and 335i weight. All the F-150 did was beat the existing lightweight by 81 lbs. I'm a simple guy... just show me the numbers. And they all have substantial performance gains to show for it, especially the Camaro.

OK, fair enough. But regarding the weights, the previous Ford was the heaviest truck for years, no doubt, They could have done what GM did and engineered it lighter with the latest steels and my guess, they would have seen a 200-300lb weight reduction, while possibly keeping the same towing and hauling capacity. But instead, they realistically got a 500-550 weight reduction, while also...key word here.....also increasing towing and hauling through strengthening, instead of just lightening. And I really don't see any hype about the weight, other than anti-hype these days. Just about every F1-50 commercial I have seen would beg to differ with your non-hype assessment. There has been a ton of hype behind for the last year and that is a fact that is backed up by those countless ads and online "reviews" by folks like yourself.

Flexibility. Exactly. It amazes me how some here do not get that when they try to pick the Volt apart. I would have one in a heartbeat for my daily commute. Would never need gas to and from work but if I have to go somewhere else after work that requires the distance that gas gives me, then that's a bonus for me.

Never mind mind the fact that his excuse is based of the assumption that gas prices will always be low, when they surely will not be this low always. What will the excuse be when gas goes up again? While they won't always be low, they will stay relatively low for the next 3 to 5 years. China's growth is scaling back and lots of new oil production came online in North America. Saudi Arabia is in crisis mode, pumping as much as they can to keep the lights on because the price per barrel is so low. So, he's most likely right that prices will stay low.... still... a bunch of people buying trucks that take premium that they are uninformed about is a potential customer relations issue. One full scale middle east war (which we are on the way to at this rate) in the next two years changes that outlook exponentially.

Never mind mind the fact that his excuse is based of the assumption that gas prices will always be low, when they surely will not be this low always. What will the excuse be when gas goes up again?

Oh pass a damn tissue already and talk about the GMC instead of Ford, given that is what the thread is actually about.

So if 50 miles of electric driving means buying gas 4 times a year. Couldn't a 150 mile range mean never needing gas? If I had a short commute, which I actually do, I would rather have a pure electric car and never need gas. If the goal is zero emissions, no trips to the gas station, then a pure EV is the end game. The Volt is having the best of both worlds. What are you not getting here?

Continue to call it a bait thread yet can't seem to stop posting on it, thus giving it credibility past that of a "bait thread". Merry Christmas to all indeed.

Maybe one day you will actually read what I posted instead of what you are reading in your head. Furthermore, it does not matter. Can GM fans use the same excuse as yourself with this "wait until..." nonsense? No so Ford's "wait and see" is just that, wait and see. Right now, the 6.2L pushrod is a beast that is also good on gas with it's "older tech" i.e. "pushrod engine". Do you get it now ? LOL@desperate backtracking in the face of old tech learning new tricks :D Face it: GM is schooling Ford in truck and RWD applications. But just wait until next year Bong, or the year after, or the year after that? Per his own link. "All Gen V engines feature direct injection, Active Fuel Management (AFM) and continuously variable valve timing. And like traditional small-block engines that have been around since 1955, the Gen V small-blocks are single-cam, overhead-valve design and feature a 4.400-inch bore center."

That "old" V6 is newer than the pushrod it competes against. No, no, NO, the technology is newer, but the V6 is the same basic and original EcoBoost that launched a decade ago, that was only updated several years ago by adding TiVCT instead of just iVCT. The 6.2L is completely new (as is the 8 speed) and launched more recently. New Ford V6 is months away now. As is the 10 speed. No because the pushrod that the GM motor is based off of, is older. This "new" motor is merely a revision of the existing 6.2L (the LT1 really isn' t all that different from the LS3 it replaced) that has been around for decades. Not sure what you are not getting here. The pushrod GM is older than the 3.5L Ford. To the rest of your post, it's the same old "wait until..." when you have no other argument. Doesn't even merit a response honestly.

Regarding your three paragraphs, wrong, wrong, and time will tell.

Huh?? You think the Continental is "top end" as far as America goes? Seriously? No wonder I just can't take you seriously in regards to cars.

That "old" V6 is newer than the pushrod it competes against.

I hate it when I see a misspelled word of mine and it's been more than five minutes since the last edit. Ugh. Collier? Really? Should have been "cooler". Damn autocorrect.

Umm, hell no. I'm just tripping out over the fact that it is 15-20 degrees cooler here in the desert than just about anywhere east of the Mississippi. El Nino is wreaking havoc on the weather patterns here. What temps are you lookin' at? Prior to today we've been highs in the mid 50's even low 60's for almost the past month. I just keep waiting to walk out of my house in the morning and finally get hit in the face with the nasty teens and 20's but it just hasn't happened yet. Heck, yesterday morning I was woken up before my alarm for a thunderstorm. On my drive to the bus I could only go about 40mph because of visibility and that much water on the ground, it was dumping rain hard. If that was snow, it would have been 2ft it was coming down that hard and it lightly rained all day. Weird. Ass. Weather. We have been in the 50s and 60s here while my hometown back in NC will be near 80 for Christmas. Craziness. I know the midwest is a little collier than that but you are at the same temperature as Phoenix so that is something right there.

Umm, hell no. I'm just tripping out over the fact that it is 15-20 degrees cooler here in the desert than just about anywhere east of the Mississippi. El Nino is wreaking havoc on the weather patterns here.

I agree about the suspension ccap. Should have been two games just because the refs screwed up ejecting him in the Carolina game. The plethora of excuses he and the Giants have given for his actions have just shown that they have zero respect for what could have happened here. Completely classless by the entire organization.