surreal1272

Actually this is what I thought when I first saw the taillights.

That's kind of my issue with it. It just doesn't "click" for me when it comes to the exterior of it.

I know there will be more choices than blue. That is obvious. I just don't care for it in blue. That is all.

Bad color choice is what hurts it I think. That 80s blue just won't cut it IMO. Some different color combinations would be nice. I actually LIKE the blue, lol. It's the shape and location of the contrasting silver bits, and the overall sculpting and shape of the interior I don't like. Yeah, the silver is a bit much and it doesn't work very well with the blue. Looks too "1980ish" to me. The overall design is sharp though IMO (save for a few tidbits).

Again, that is pretty much supporting my "boring" assertion. Why would one make a boring looking car just because the rest of the competition does? The point is to stand out, not blend in. That has been Lincoln's problem for far too long and this does nothing to change that (at least on the outside). It does offer a solid powertrain though which could be its saving grace but I still don't think that it is enough in the grand scheme of things.

Hey man, different strokes for different folks, and I respect your opinion of it. I can see why it some people would not like the continental interior. I'm guessing Rhapsody Blue isn't to your liking. What would you like to see instead, though? Stating that it doesn't face any stiff competition in exterior design is pretty much confirming the boring design of it IMO. You don't set the bar in accordance to the "boring" designs of the competition. You set it above and beyond the competition. Just my opinion though.

Bad color choice is what hurts it I think. That 80s blue just won't cut it IMO. Some different color combinations would be nice.

The interior is definitely the high point. I just wish the exterior matched the "pop" of the interior.

Very nice on the inside but the exterior already looks dated to me and that's a shame. I had better expectations, design wise, for this.

Good lord man. Go to ESPN.com. They show three different angles of that hit and on top of that, they have Brown under concussion protocol. That sure wasn't from a shoulder pad hit either. Apparently the NFL saw the same thing so this discussion is now officially moot. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14550673/vontaze-burfict-cincinnati-bengals-suspended-3-games-repeated-safety-violations

No offense Frisky but how is his support of Cadillac any different from your support of BMW? That last remark was simply uncalled for. While I may support BMW, I have no problem openly criticizing them where it is due. I also have no problem with Cadillac or someone liking Cadillac. But mocking products from a competitor when Cadillac's own is even worse strikes me as rather hypocritical. I do not blindly proclaim BMW to be superior to other vehicles just because of my preference. Again, you do the EXACT same thing where BMW is concerned that Casa does where Cadillac is concerned. That is all I'm saying. BTW, saying Cadillacs is worse is pure opinion on your part and partially proves what I am saying here. Carry on folks. No, I don't. Provide me one instance where I have said that a brand- in particular, Cadillac- sucked, or remarked "F%*# them." in reference to them. You won't. You can't. Him and I are noth the same. And there is absolutely NO third party source that would dispute the 320i as being better than the ATS 2.5. It's like saying Scarlett Johansson is hotter than Roseann. It may be opinion, but it's unanimously agreed upon by any reasonable person. I have seen you demean others over their criticisms of BMW (myself included) more than once here and on other sites so I really don't have to rehash it to prove anything to you. No offense.

And I'm saying you are wrong. His helmet hit Brown's helmet while his shoulder did the rest. There are multiple angles that show this. Again, Burfict has a history of late hits and dirty hits. That is all because I'm not going to argue over it. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/10/as-a-repeat-offender-vontaze-burfict-may-face-a-suspension/

Note to GM: Build it now! Gorgeous concept!

No offense Frisky but how is his support of Cadillac any different from your support of BMW? That last remark was simply uncalled for. While I may support BMW, I have no problem openly criticizing them where it is due. I also have no problem with Cadillac or someone liking Cadillac. But mocking products from a competitor when Cadillac's own is even worse strikes me as rather hypocritical. I do not blindly proclaim BMW to be superior to other vehicles just because of my preference. Again, you do the EXACT same thing where BMW is concerned that Casa does where Cadillac is concerned. That is all I'm saying. BTW, saying Cadillacs is worse is pure opinion on your part and partially proves what I am saying here. Carry on folks.

I am going to disagree with you on that. I saw that replay over and over and Brown's head went sideways from that helmet hit. It's not even debatable and the penalty was more than valid for that very reason. Burfict has a history of dirty hits so this is not without precedence. Honestly, between that, what Pacman Jones did, and what the Bengals fans did when Ben got hurt, I'm glad they lost. Simply classless actions all the way around.

Burfict absolutely did lead with his helmet on that hit. Both teams played dirty though IMO. A lot of unnecessary action out there.

400,000 units combined from two brands isn't all that impressive, sorry. And that's not even questioning how many vehicles among those could properly be considered 'luxury'. I mean just earlier, another poster was ripping on the CLA. Last time I checked, you can buy a Buick Verano with the lame duck 2.4, a Regal with a virtually spartan interior, so on and so forth. and truly U can buy a BMW 320i, with its 0-60 in 6.7, and get seriously surprised by a 2016 Chevy Volt 0-60 in 7.1 seconds. Not to mention.. have U been in a BMW 320i??? LMFAO. A Lady friend of mine was duped into buying one.. talk about buyer's remorse and a constant phone call of "how can I break the lease without losing too much." Weak sauce interior... no real options. Eff BMW. A BMW 320i is a far, far better car than a 2.5 ATS. It's the same old vitriol from you as always. No offense Frisky but how is his support of Cadillac any different from your support of BMW? That last remark was simply uncalled for.

Damn. Another legend gone. RIP David Bowie.

Don't care for the black plastic looking cover in the center of the hood (looks cheap) but 600HP is a steal for $54K. Very sharp looking too.

Very sharp! Just go ahead and slap that GNX badge on it and call it a day!

Then why bring it up? Because you are trying to move that bar again, that's why. I have nothing ore to say about since you can't keep your argument straight when you have been called out. Enough space has been wasted on the subject.

I have never been a BMW fan, their styling never really did anything for me, but I do respect the E39, the V10 M5, the E46 M3, the F30 3-series and inline sixes. I can respect their products, but I would never buy one, they aren't my cup of tea. That being said, I have to defend them here. In 2015, 58% of Porsche sales were SUVs. This was once a sports car brand that is on its way to having 2/3rds of it sales trucks. BMW still has 70% of its sales volume from cars. That is huge percentage, as all the non-germane luxury brands are under 50%. As far as the X5 goes, it is a rear drive platform, you can get a 450 hp V8 or 580 hp V8, or whatever the M has. The Acura, Lincoln, Lexus crossovers and the SRX are front drive products, basically family sedans on stilts with a V6 out of a Cam-Cord. They are garden variety stuff. I am not sure what is "mojo induced" about any Lexus or Acura SUV, but BMW is making an X7 SUV with optional 600 hp V12 power. Will a 600 hp V12 be enough mojo for the suv segment? The only reason BMW's CUV percentage isn't higher is because it is up against the five or six variations of EACH car model (3,4,5,6,7 series have more variations than you can shake a stick at) so those percentages you are touting are way misleading. Finally, the X5 was BMWs best seller last month and was second in yearly sales to only the multi-variant 3 series. What do you think is going to happen to that CUV percentage when the X7 comes out? So before the argument was made that BMW sells too many SUVs and that was bad. Bad for image to sell SUVs as a luxury brand. Then as it turns out they sell 70% cars and only 30% SUVs (the most car heavy luxury brand there is). Yet that is still bad because the X5, a high margin vehicle outsells a 3-series which is a bottom level vehicle. However at Mercedes the C-class, a sedan outsells the GLE, but that is also bad because the C-class costs less than the GLE. Then it seems that many more people want an Escalade over a BMW, yet BMW doesn't offer a full size SUV. So until the X7 is on sale we don't really know. And the X5 outsells the Escalade, because as was established the X5 is the #1 selling BMW for 1 month. Maybe the X7 will sell well, maybe it is too late to the game. Personally I think the X7 will gain some traction in the market place, and that segment isn't really growing so it will more than likely steal from established players. I never made any argument about BMW and their CUVs (they are not SUVs) so maybe you need to take that argument up with those who brought it up. I am merely bringing up the reasons why their percentage is as low as it is and why that won't last. Oh and the X5 outselling the Escalade means diddly squat since they do no compete with each other, hence the arrival of the X7. Did you somehow forget that in yet another attempt by you to move the bar? Geez.

An ESCALADE is UNTOUCHABLE in the realm of cachet, and NO AMOUNT OF BMW X6M HORSEPOWER comes close to that Cadillac in cachet... Like I said... Porsche, M-B, Cadillac, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Land Rover, Jaguar and others HAVE A SAY HOW SUVs WILL be MARKETED... And the X6M will BE LOST in that whirlwind of SUV madness... BMW was the one to DICTATE what is a LUXURY SPORT SEDAN...but with SUVs...BMW is NO WHERE NEAR the BENCH MARK!!! You realize the X6M is like the size of a Cadillac XT5 or Lexus RX right? It is not a full size vehicle, but as I just posted there is a full size X7 SUV coming. And who ever said BMW was a benchmark of SUVs? SUVs are 30% of BMW sales. What is sort of scary is if their car sales stay the same, but SUV sales rise, they could be at 400,000 units a year in the near future. I don't know that the Escalade is so "untouchable". It has cache, but it built a lot of that in the early to mid 2000s when there were few competitors. Aside from the GL, and there could be a Maybach GL, you now have Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Lamborghini getting into SUVs. Those are heavyweight names. Land Rover is coming back pretty strong. And the Escalade is sill built on a Chevy truck frame. I think in the 2020s the Escalade will have to adapt and evolve as more and more better handling, more luxurious and more fuel efficient large SUVs hit the market. Who cares? Point is that the Escalade carries plenty of cachet and many would prefer it over the BMW. BTW, you seem to overlook that it is the best selling full size luxury SUV out there. We have talked about this before yet you keep bringing up this nonsense ladened criticism of the Escalade.

I have never been a BMW fan, their styling never really did anything for me, but I do respect the E39, the V10 M5, the E46 M3, the F30 3-series and inline sixes. I can respect their products, but I would never buy one, they aren't my cup of tea. That being said, I have to defend them here. In 2015, 58% of Porsche sales were SUVs. This was once a sports car brand that is on its way to having 2/3rds of it sales trucks. BMW still has 70% of its sales volume from cars. That is huge percentage, as all the non-germane luxury brands are under 50%. As far as the X5 goes, it is a rear drive platform, you can get a 450 hp V8 or 580 hp V8, or whatever the M has. The Acura, Lincoln, Lexus crossovers and the SRX are front drive products, basically family sedans on stilts with a V6 out of a Cam-Cord. They are garden variety stuff. I am not sure what is "mojo induced" about any Lexus or Acura SUV, but BMW is making an X7 SUV with optional 600 hp V12 power. Will a 600 hp V12 be enough mojo for the suv segment? The only reason BMW's CUV percentage isn't higher is because it is up against the five or six variations of EACH car model (3,4,5,6,7 series have more variations than you can shake a stick at) so those percentages you are touting are way misleading. Finally, the X5 was BMWs best seller last month and was second in yearly sales to only the multi-variant 3 series. What do you think is going to happen to that CUV percentage when the X7 comes out?

Again, that near bottom feeder C class was MBs best seller (of which there are FIVE variations of per MBs website) while you try to say that MB makes more sells off of their mid range luxury cars. Hmmmmm...lie much? The Encore is Buick's #1 seller and their second cheapest product. The SRX is Cadillac's #1 seller and their 2nd cheapest product. The Escape is the #1 selling ford after F-series, and the Escape is near the bottom. Lots of brands have their best sellers as the lower end of their line up. And I said 2 of the top 3 selling lines are middle level at Mercedes. C-class, E-class, GLE-class are their top 3 selling lines. There have been years when the E-class was their #1 seller. Perhaps the new one will catch fire and regain the title. CLA + CLA 55,236 C-class + GLK/GLC = 113,982 E-class + ML/GLE = 102,949 (add CLS which has defect replaced the E550 sedan and it is 109,101 units) S-class + GL = 49,641 The top and bottom are pretty close, if you add the SL and G-wagen to the top group they would outsell the A range. ( and those cars don't share platforms, I just lumped together by price point) You missed the point by a country mile. Look at your own numbers. Their best seller there is one of their CHEAPEST cars While you try to claim otherwise, the C class is NOT mid level. It was an entry level model until the CLA sub-entry car came out. The C class is still at the bottom of that totem poll in the grand scheme of things, no matter how you try to paint it. Point here is that almost all makes bets sellers tend to be their cheaper models, DUH! That obviously includes Mercedes. BTW, what in the world does the Escape, a NON LUXURY CUV have to do with anything being discussed here? The answer is nothing btw.