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stop it man! not while I'm trying to take a drink!

I don't think even too many Nissan Quests see 8 dealer trips in that time period........

ACCORD SH AWD

nope, the lucerne, while not great is a nicer overall presentation, especially with the tan leather. neither car is an audi

i saw it at the auto show and also sat in it. its not stunning in person. its not a dramatic diff from the last one overall. the interior is nice other than the geriatric dash. the four door coupe mercedes makes is a true stunner. the s class is merely pleasant. give me an XJ, maserati or A8 instead.

maybe Mark Cuban should run GM.

glass half full, many cars have TWO trunk struts, the Cobalt has one on the trunk and uses the other one on the hood and saves money on the prop rod. Especially if either strut is the exact same part as on another GM vehicle and thus saves engineering and duplication costs, not to mention not having to engineer and schedule a unique part for the Cobalt. All while impressing the owner because they don't have to fiddle for the f*cking prop rod, especially in the dark. EXPAND YOUR MIND AND GOOD THINGS MAY APPEAR..........

if GM is truly going to change its thinking and become a relevant business today, they will have to have an epic housecleaning of execs and managers and lifers, in all honesty giving THE RICK alone the Heisman isn't going to do much.

nah, don't get me going on the Azera.....

good points but check out the newest Lexus' with space wasting goose neck hinges on the trunk before you cast too many stones......

PLPP product, labor, pushrods, and plastic

RWD only is not what will save GM. GM more importantly needs to build serious credible threats to market segment sellers like Camry, Caravan, Altima, Accord, Corollas, etc.

say bye bye to THE RICK! Buickman, enjoy yourself a cold one if that happens.

not soon enough! needs a real engine in it too!

a stick 4 cyl G6 would be a great entry level offing for someone who doesn't want to drop more money on a smaller car like a civic.

was Hyundai trying to mimmick this? i can see then where some of the attemtps at form are in the azera dash. the console becomes somewhat of a knockoff, but at least toyota attemtps to terminate it and not end it lumina style. Also, toyota at least fills the center stack with enough stuff so its not just bare plastic below the vents. note also that the floating mass of the dashboard is much more in proportion. The dash flows into the console some at least, where the AZRA does not at all. I'm not saying the AZRA's interior is like a 99 century. GOD NO. I just don't think it is a luxury car interior, nor is it as good as its being praised for in the press. Just like the new Civic. The new Civic's interior, aside from being bizarre is also mediocre. The Mazda 3's interior kicks ass all over the new civic in terms of design and interiors. Camry, Accord, both nicer. Why not get the real thing?

THIS IS SO MUCH MORE DESIRABLE AND AS MEDIOCRE THE NEW CAMRY'S interior is in a few spots its much nicer than the AZERA. the TSX and TL have way nicer interiors. the A3 does. the jetta and passat do. the silver finish on the azera console matches virtually nothing in the rest of the interior. i will say i haven't seen it in black, but go check out the tan interior ones, its nasty. especially with cloth, that's where the mismatches really stand out. another thing....they try so hard to integrate the design of the cabin with that 'wood' strip on the dash and door, but then nothing else at all about the doors relate to the dash at all. Likewise as i previously said, the console has no relation to the center stack or dash either. The style of the seats seems a bit lavish in relation to the sparse and grandpa styled dash. The console just zooms forward and the lone silver surface dies into what? nothing! the cutline on the door panels that separates the plastic from the soft trim is completely arbitrary. look below the center dash vents, there's nothing but bare plastic and a couple of small circular elements, not at all within scale to break up those floating globs of plastic. That's not how you catch someone's eye. The center stack is at a weird angle to the eye; its like its falling away from your eyesight visually. there's no connection. the scale of the whole 'floating dash' mass is not at all heavy enough in visual proportion. At least in the maxima the somewhat similar effect, the visual weight of the floating mass is within proper proportion, even if its shape is not pleasing. Let me also point out the really awkward gap between the upper dash and door panels. Its inconsistent and unresolved. It totally supercedes and breaks up the look of the floating dash which they kind of attemtp to blend into the door, but you can't get your eyes away from the gaping seam to have any attention on the blend. not even chris bangle could hose it up this much!

I SO LOVE THE WAY THE CONSOLE FLOWS NICELY INTO THE CENTER STACK. not! its like the two are not even connected! The only worse offenders in that regard are I do agree that the steering wheel is nice and thick and has nice wood trim but the airbag cover design is left over from my 95 Thunderbird. the seats we know are leftovers from early Catera production.

yup, agree 100% completely on that one.

oh, the Honda RL?

fly, you beat me to the punch. it also is slightly like a 95 riv boattail rear. what is up with mercedes and the rear wheel arches now? YUK. overall its pretty decent but with some hoky aspects.

Lucerne's cloth is ratty looking and not nice enough for a premium car, but at least its not really bad like the AZera's.

if the public ever does turn on CR, I hope they go DOWN. Still, the clueless yuppie liberal mondo urban bunch who always buy Toyotas and Hondas are so thick around here these days and they have all the big paying jobs and they are the ones who are dropping big coin like nothing on all the toyohondas etc. Between a CR backlash and a rise in Hyundai though could be what cracks away at toyota's position in the US. Seriously, folks spend 30k on used Camry's and 25k on 4 year old A4's........but won't buy a new Impala for 20g.

$h!, not enough time tonight to remember all my rides! one nugget, lots of SMOKY front wheel burnouts in my 89 SHO.

Let me just echo what i said in the other forum. The AZERA looks like hell on the outside and is subpar on the inside. The interior is a hodgepodge of lame design (did students or interns work on this car?) and mismatched materials and poor materials and unappealing design. The cloth on the seats are horrible and don't match the mediocre plastic at all. And I am being nice. If you sit in it for a long time like I did, you clearly begin to see how this car is really a generation or two behind in design. The Sonata is just as bad. Again, we are talking discount third world product here. The hardware has improved, but the design says to everyone 'I bought a cheap ass car!'. Fly, I liked your post here, but I would even get a LAVALON before one of these dungpiles. Like I said in the other forum, if you want a Camry or Accord, JUST GET A FRICKIN CAMRY OR ACCORD! The new Camry is a yawner but its light years more appealing than this THING. in 6 months when more new iron is out, the press will be panning this like everything else. Edmunds is a bunch of idiots. This car on the outside is one of the ugliest sedans available. Jesus, Mr. Lutz. PLEASE put the 3.6 in the base Lucerne (and improve the cheap cloth seats too) and set it off to compete against this horrid Hyundai. PLEASE!