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maybe in luxury circles but around these parts the ladies get worked up over Acadias. No one really wants the size and bulk and truckiness of the suburban. Still remember my wife telling me about when her boss got her new Acadia and couldn't stop gushing. She took the crew out to lunch and everyone was oohing and awing over all the room, even in the back. Of course now, they won't even fit in it. And absolutely not the only time i have talked to an Acadia owner and they haven't loved the snot out of it. A comment is always, it has such good room. Vans, lambdas, explorers, are the family haulers you see most around here. The company i work for now has like 8 traverses for the construction staff to make field visits. They used to have pickups and suburbans.

^^^^^^^^^ winner winner^^^^^^^ yup, that's GM, make it smaller and charge more.

Acadia Envoy not too late to change the badges

Yeah, there's never been data tampering

Sorry but the Acadia is not an icon like the Escalade. It would be a huge stretch to call it that. you're not a suburban milf housewife. You don't know that. ^^^^^^^^^ props

Pentastars do get great highway Mileage. One decision i looked at before we got our T&C was possibly an Equinox, but i had heard about the actual mileage they got, and then we rented a Grand Caravan one weekend and got killer mpg on a trip and I determined 'why would i get a small 2 row equinox when it gets worse mpg than the Grand Caravan or Journey'.

Dodge Journey mates with a Mazda protege hatch with a Mini front end

Sorry but the Acadia is not an icon like the Escalade. It would be a huge stretch to call it that. you're not a suburban milf housewife.

"FAIR" ??? How so? Big Gov't is automatically entitled to revenue streams….. why again?? in this instance, what i am referring to is fuel taxes etc, for dedicated purpose of building and maintaining roads. If the tax collects less because less cars are driven by gas, and less fuel is purchased, but the population is driving the same miles and wear on the roads, well, then it stands to reason that a tax if used for vehicles would need to be levied to pay for the use of cars on the roads. I'm as low tax as anyone, but a reasonable argument can be made here if that people are driving 10 billion miles a year and 200 billion is spent to build and maintain roads and infrastructure for cars, that if that tax revenue is reduces because fewer cars use fossil fuels, and more electrics, the loss in revenue would need to be bridged over to a tax in electricity. Or, user fees, or higher license fees etc.

The resale market will do a lot to determine what cars and powertrain configuration will rule out with EV's. Pure EV's may have an extremely limited resale market, because the range anxiety issue may not be something people are willing to deal with when buying a car second hand. Voltecs are ready for any situation with the range extender. So if you can explain to a potential buyer that it runs fine on gas as it does plugged in, that means future viability and flexibility will be maintained.....you will still have a large base of people that will buy your car. I still believe GM should do what they can to give the volt a much higher plug in range. Pure EV would be nice but the problem is the time and money to convert to a full EV 'refueling' infrastructure will take at least 20 years plus. I am guessing ICE will still be sold on cars for at least that long. ICE cars bought in 2020 will still be looking for fuel stations in 2040. Convenience stores with quick charge won't completely replace gas pumps so there is the whole thing about how convenience stores will remodel to accommodate both gas pumps and charge stations. Even though whack jobs at the federal level (encouraged by whack job enviros) will likely push for elimination of ICE and fuel stations, if someone buys a car in 2027 with an ICE and in 2033 can no longer use it, they will be really pissed off. Then, cash for ICE clunkers will have to buy back ICE vehicles. And we'll have to be guaranteed that our grid can supply every ounce of power that is needed. There will be no course anytime soon that pure EV only can serve the entire market, and because such, it will naturally be a limited market for quite awhile. If that ends up being 40% of the market, that is still a lot of cars no doubt. But it will be proof that it is a limited market, new and more importantly, resale. It is always tough to sell a new car that is bludgeoned with the prospect of a limited resale market, and then values tank, and the spiral begins. Just be sure to read about the value of lease return Nissan Leafs sometime. When those leafs bottom out in value however, they will become popular for people to buy as a cheap 3rd car, that is a neighborhood runaround. I do not see an end to ICE unless government regulations drive them from the market. Contrary to what some folks like to believe in the EV segment we are not going to be out of oil anything soon so we have time to work on these other options. Our first issue may be where will the power come from? Wind and Solar will not replace power plants in total. We are not building nukes and the president has tried to shut down coal that was just stopped for now this week. Increased in demand and increases in cost will be for sure so electric in the end may not be cheaper. My local power supplier is crying for rate hikes now and they need to put in new plants and do some major reconstruction of their systems. They even took their Nuke off line this week. Our power grid is not in all that good shape. Like Jimmy Buffet says There is a Lot to Think About. once they ween you off the gas (or force you off it), then they will go in for the kill with price of electricity and add many taxes to it to replace the losses on fuel tax (which is fair you could argue). They are coming for your pocketbook either way. The price advantages to electric car right now, will be gone once the masses adopt. What you are left with then, is the municipal and government entities in control of your fuel source, and not 'those robbing oil barrons'. Then the 'fuel' market is more controlled by power companies etc. which are rife for govt regs. One has to wonder if they will ration how much power you can use for your car. I would say the next 15-20 years will be a great time to own an EV, to fully enjoy the benefit of it. Just like the first 20 or so years of the internet, now the internet is being restricted and bought and sold and used in politics and corporate posturing. Which is why I would say Tesla is missing a great chance to stake its claim here, and every day they are late to market they are losing out on a chance to maintain survival. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/02/10/tesla-posts-q4-earnings/80194030/ The wagons are circling, huge 4th quarter loss, 889M dollar loss in 2015, yet such a rosy outlook. Spin is great when the vultures are flying above. If the 3 were out by now, this story would not be out there.

i would maintain to add to that that being able to plug in OR use gas would be of prime advantage. "fuel diversity"

good move. I doubt it will become that much more sophisticated......this is just PR talk. The Escalade is iconic, you don't mess with icons. (Although GMC did that with the Acadia). Cadillac can say this now when gas is cheap, at least its easier to. People like that the Escalade is a true truck. Keep the fans happy. I would not be surprised to see aluminum body panels and possibly a re-worked rear that would create more cabin space. An Omega based Cadillac crossover would be cool. Right now though, Cadillac will try to sell as many Escalades as they can, I think, while the cash faucet is still running and there are not many other crossovers in the cadillac showroom that can steal from it.

The resale market will do a lot to determine what cars and powertrain configuration will rule out with EV's. Pure EV's may have an extremely limited resale market, because the range anxiety issue may not be something people are willing to deal with when buying a car second hand. Voltecs are ready for any situation with the range extender. So if you can explain to a potential buyer that it runs fine on gas as it does plugged in, that means future viability and flexibility will be maintained.....you will still have a large base of people that will buy your car. I still believe GM should do what they can to give the volt a much higher plug in range. Pure EV would be nice but the problem is the time and money to convert to a full EV 'refueling' infrastructure will take at least 20 years plus. I am guessing ICE will still be sold on cars for at least that long. ICE cars bought in 2020 will still be looking for fuel stations in 2040. Convenience stores with quick charge won't completely replace gas pumps so there is the whole thing about how convenience stores will remodel to accommodate both gas pumps and charge stations. Even though whack jobs at the federal level (encouraged by whack job enviros) will likely push for elimination of ICE and fuel stations, if someone buys a car in 2027 with an ICE and in 2033 can no longer use it, they will be really pissed off. Then, cash for ICE clunkers will have to buy back ICE vehicles. And we'll have to be guaranteed that our grid can supply every ounce of power that is needed. There will be no course anytime soon that pure EV only can serve the entire market, and because such, it will naturally be a limited market for quite awhile. If that ends up being 40% of the market, that is still a lot of cars no doubt. But it will be proof that it is a limited market, new and more importantly, resale. It is always tough to sell a new car that is bludgeoned with the prospect of a limited resale market, and then values tank, and the spiral begins. Just be sure to read about the value of lease return Nissan Leafs sometime. When those leafs bottom out in value however, they will become popular for people to buy as a cheap 3rd car, that is a neighborhood runaround.

And that is the argument both of you want to represent? In Montreal...where 100 000 dollar cars are not exactly a thing...because well, the money in Quebec...is not existent practically, and what little money some people do make...its taxed like you wouldnt believe...and yet...Tesla Model S are EVERYWHERE...P85Ds even...and only growing... And this is the part of the problem of Reg's argument... 100 000 dollar cars are a niche...a small niche Electric cars are an even smaller niche... Yet...the Model S has managed to outsell equivalent priced cars form Mercedes and BMW and Audi...and Cadillac... You say California? Well, its because California is electric car friendly...so is Quebec... Michigan is HOSTILE towards electric cars...so...I bet you Tesla does not fare well in Michigan... Try again... tesla, to survive, must sell outside its rich boy toy niche and hit a meat market. or they will die. the model 3 was supposed to be here a long time ago. instead they dick around with falcon doors and make a really stupid looking model x. and think that will grow their business. what a bunch of dumb fools. niche car makers die. they could probably sell a couple hundred thousand model 3's but like the stupid Elio, its vaporware and really their ineptitude to capitalize on their market coolness i am afraid will render them into oblivion. might still need 7 years to do it, but clearly they have no plan. A shame because the Model S is a cool kit car. IF they survive it will be due to being bought out or another automaker will make the bulk of the car and the electrics will just get bolted in their and rebadged

looks good. saw a new spark tonight on a lot i trolled and this front end is pretty close to exactly the same look. new spark really looks good btw

The Venza had a face only a mother could love... that was the primary issue there. It was just uuuugly. it had a proportioning problem. It was not quite tall enough to look like a crossover. It still looked a bit like a wagon.

terrible.

xB fueled Scion. It was part of that bunch, PT Cruiser, HHR, xB, those odd vehicles that were momentarily cool alternatives to sedans and brought in acceptance of new forms of vehicle packaging. Since then, buyers welcomed 'new forms of vehicle packaging', and sedans continue to slide....but the masses now seem set on a standard design language for what crossovers etc. should be. In other words the experimentation phase is over, and everything is being mandated to fit the crossover styling formula. Well, if that's going to be the net result, then just sell a few more RAVs and highlanders. Even the Venza had to die, that is how rigid the rules are getting for vehicles that are not sedans.

the Camaro's rear seat is a parcel shelf anyways, so really the Camaro is the best v6 two seater out there.

Motor Trend and Car and Driver have stories out on the 2017 Trax updates

from a web article "For new Teslas, about 45% of the nation’s sales are in California" Californias % of overall national sales is only like 11.5-12% or so, (estimating 2 million divided by 17 million) So the market share outside of California for Tesla is even less. Probably closer to 2 tenths of 1 percent. (estimating 30,000 / 15 million)....1 in every 500 cars. The Tesla dealer closest to here is in a dump of a building in an industrial park. Classy retail. Can't go big time if you don't go high profile and nice on the showroom. Gotta be in a visible location too.

Motor Trend has a write, also. http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-chevrolet-trax-first-look-review/

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2017-chevrolet-trax-official-photos-and-info-news 2017 Trax official photos and info from Car and Driver

like, 4 tenth of 1 percent