Intrepidation

I'm glad I'm never around when you drive.

No where in your commute do you require powerslides either.

I guess the moral of the story is rock > Mazda, > Oldsmobile > BMW

D'oh! My brain is just not working today.

F-ing awesome!

Well no f@#king $h!. I mean really. You take a brand known for economy cars, replace them with much more expensive cars, then don't market them. What the hell did they think was going to happen?

I'm amazed that balthazar doesn't have harsher criticism towards it and just plain shocked that Sixty8 likes it. To each their own.

I still want an Aurora someday. I've always had a soft spot for them.

With the exception of Audi,, the Germans are really going downhill in the styling department.

Ah, well the 6 hatch is one of those cool hatches that looks like a sedan but has much more practicality. Honestly if I were looking at a Mazda6 I would just go straight for the hatch.

Well yeah, the Mazda3 hatch looks different from the Mazda6 wagon...the wagon is longer and sleeker.

Anyway I'm just giving the hatchback thing a hard time because the car itself isn't worth talking about...it's hideous.

I said hardly, I didn't say never, I know they were made Show me 15 of them in the last 20 years.

See that looks my like a hatchback.

Well if you look at the rear of this monstrosity, the hatch itself looks more upright than teh Magnum's, and while this thing has a more violent and sloping roof line, the Magnum's roof slopes too. I'm not confusing the two I just find the distinction silly because so little separates them. Now a 3 door is easy to distinction because wagons hardly ever come as 3-doors. In the Golf 5-door's case it is much shorter than a normal wagon, this BMW is long like a wagon.

Well, I mean, if Chrysler and Fiat are partnered up now it only makes sense to make use of Fiat's platforms instead of Nissan's.

So then you could call the Magnum a hatchback or a wagon? This is silly.

How are we blowing this car out of proportions? This is one of the few design critique threads we've had lately that doesn't have "OMFG IT IS THE SUXXORS AND IS UGLY AS YOUR MOM"

What the hell is the Point anyway?! They gave wagons, SUVs, the X6...I mean honestly. They could be working on a new M1 but instead we're getting 20 remxes of the wagon.

BMW hasn't had an understanding for lines and shapes in years. Have you looked at the 3-Series? The details get are screewed upw ith that car...panel seem don't meet with each other but instead are like 5 inches part.

So it's got a little more headroom? I'm not really seeing how a slightly higher and more awkward roof angle gives it such a huge distinction from a wagon. Technically anything with a "hatch" is a hatchback anyway.

Nothing original besides the nose but it looks nice.

It's not luxury I guess but... I mean hell, this is just a tall-ish wagon, Mercedes and BMW have been making wagons for years....and Audi. There's also the CTS wagon...

I disagree. I liked the SuperDuty before the latest MCE, but I've hated the front end of it (the only thing that looks noticeably different) since. It's just a big square slab of chrome and plastic...they completely gave up on trying to design anything that wasn't rectangular. The Silverado looks awkward and nose heavy in HD form. My previous favorite was the Sierra HD, which I still like a lot, but I think I like the new Ram best now. Although I prefer the sleeker look of the 15000's front end this has a nice, tough look to it without feeling overdone...although I would prefer the lower bumper be body color. I really like how the rear fender is a one-piece stamp and not a fender flare bolted on...it looks very clean.

Forward of the A-pillar is decent, but everything behind it is terrible...the greenhouse, the ugly rear rend.