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I was thinking about developing a scheme along the lines of removing certain panels and wrapping 'em in Mylar or leather a la one of those shows where they do stuff like that all of the time. I'm bummed in hearing that the 'tubular' ambient-lighting scheme is either on hold at the moment or 'on constraint. We'll see.

The death squads attendant to the border drug trade are pretty efficient. I'd like to see an 'X-games' based on driving them onto the Baja peninsula and forcing 'em into the sea.

I've no fear of it. I'm relatively old. Pre-senior-hood. Any 'start-up' new world order or world government would likely miss me on the first pass and by the time they know my number/name, I'll be dead. Embrace the horror folks.

Yes, they sure do build 'em pretty. Saw one rendered in orange being subjected to critical review at the morning meeting when I went to sign my retirement papers. No way that I could fold my gangly limbs to fit within her sleekly stunning confines. But I damned sure wanted to.

Too small? In a country which allows the Fart-Car to run with the big boys? Right.

What tree stump could stand before it? I'd get a 30,000 lb. rated web sling and drag Priuses out and away from trendy restaurants.

What does she weigh? I'd rather appeal to your excitement in the new ownership experience, PCS, than Google the information. In my 'day' under 30 lbs./14 kilos was magnifique. They really were 'iron' horses then. Lots of luck climbing the Alps. [stray thought] what a bitch hearing of Natasha Richardson's skiing mishap. I've been reflecting on this since last night. Everyone have a care in what you do.

How would you rate the quality, integrity and appeal of Camaro based upon what you know? Can it go head-to-head right out of the gate in it's price category (and even a couple brackets upward) with the best? GM has the perfect opportunity to re-invent the affordable sports car here. Has it succeeded?

The Camaro serves as halo more affordably than Corvette. GM should be cautioning dealers so as not to drive away future customers through gouging. It is going on. Those lacking the means at present might be enthusiastic regarding a tuned Cruze. GM has the DNA to pull it off. Would that they could steel their will in order to find that mojo.

Pop goes another bubble. *

The 'Pod benefited from being directly in the path of destiny. imo. If not Apple it would've been some other entity. Nike, Mountain Dew, Coke, Starbucks and of their ilk to a degree benefited from the existence of lemmings. Walt Disney World, Hard Rock Cafe and McDonald's too.

Besides practically having had the market to themselves for a time, GM did capture or define the zeitgeist of the 50s and 60s. Adequate motivation to learn from past triumphs and mistakes.

It does sell a $h!load of stuff. iPod anyone?

Tired and oft-quoted rhetoric that never ceases to bore. Bores me at least. Yet some are moved by it.

In fact one could posit the exact opposite as truisms and they'd sound as credible.

Depends on how hard you put your foot into it. Tire inflation, clean oil, clean air filter and the number of passengers routinely carried will impact that figure. Stuff in the trunk. I wonder if keeping it supremely clean and waxed would help in keeping the numbers up. (?)

Thanks TEDdy

I will get one to feed to my new Camaro. Thanks for the heads-up. I am just bustin' on you.

Yeah. The so-called pipeline is full, the economy crashed and discretionary spending is near an all-time low. I can't see GM building beyond what they feel that they can sell with reasonable certainty for a while. The Camaro's presence in the market should spark some interest.

Until the novelty wears-off a bit. Now I see Challengers, not the V-8 models mind you, with 2 foot-tall die-cut vinyl price stickers adorning their flanks at many Dodge dealers. It'll be some time before a manual 2SS Camaro is spot delivered I would think.

This is good. Seems normal doing it this way. I won't mention the name of the cockiest dealer I spoke with. The representative seems to feel that the squeeze will be on the supply into next Spring. Pshaw on that f*cking idea. Same goes for his 5 Grand over stick bullsh*t too.

Wouldn't it stand to reason that each dealer would get one to road-test? I'm hearing that since supply is so tight that the dealers haven't even considered letting prospective buyers sit-on/drive these things and play w/all the gadgets. Personally, driving the V-6 would only make me want to strap into a V-8 and let those horses run.

Now one of my brothers wants one. He's about 92% committed to ordering one and suddenly, as opposed to two weeks ago, the dealers are brokering these as though they were wrought from 24k gold. I know that the game is afoot here. Some dealers are not asking for a premium and some are. As high as 5 Grand. I tell them: Wait until the pipeline's full and by Thanksgiving the tune will be a little different. I saw the silver concept in the Doraville, GA assembly plant nearly 3 years ago. I was on-hand the next day when they drove it onto the trailer (in a sullen drizzle that day) to be shuttled-off to it's next stop. The Camaro looked and sounded wonderful and even now, 3 years on, it still maintains it's appeal for me (and my brothers) and is worth waiting for. Yet I see in Phil LeBeau's wistfully-toned story the epic struggle of bringing this fine machine to the masses when the Economy is so rotten even looking forward 6, 12 or 18 months.

Can New Chevy Camaro Muscle Up Sales? Posted By: Phil LeBeau -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For pure "car lovers", the re-birth of the Chevy Camaro is like an early Christmas gift. A modern day muscle car (base sticker $22,995) built for people who live for the thrill of the drive. Its return, like the return of the Dodge Challenger or the Bullitt Mustang, reminds us of the glory days for American cars. Too bad this Camaro come out when GM is gasping for air and Chevy showrooms are quiet. It wasn't supposed to be like this. When GM introduced the Camaro at the 2006 Detroit Auto Show, people drooled over the car. Critics called it the culmination of the GM design renaissance under Bob Lutz. At the time, GM was in the midst of a 5 year plan that would get the company back in the black for good. At least that was the plan. Three years later, GM is avoiding bankruptcy only because of billions in government loans, Bob Lutz is about to retire, and the Camaro hits showrooms when sales are at 28 year lows. How much can the Camaro muscle up sales? Not much. This is a niche vehicle coming at a time when consumer confidence is so low, little is driving enthusiasm for new cars. Here's how bad it is. When I told a friend of mine who is your typical "car guy" that I would be driving the new Camaro, his reaction was, "That's nice." His reaction is not a commentary on the Camaro. It's more a reflection of just how much the consumer has been beaten down by this economy. There are really no new models coming out that have created a "must have" aura around them. And for those of you who think the trio of hybrids (Toyota Prius, Honda Insight and Ford Fusion) are generating buzz, I hate to disappoint you. They are fine cars, but they are not getting average people to sit up and say, "YES! I gotta buy that!" GM would love for that to happen with the Camaro, but that's unlikely. Right now, new cars are not on the radar with buyers. And while that is completely understandable in this economy, it is also too bad. A lot of people are missing out on a hell of a ride in the new Camaro. http://www.cnbc.com/id/29719269/site/14081...C&par=yahoo It's the Economy, stupid. Hope the Camaro does well. Still anticipating seeing the first one in the wild.

"Idiocracy" as expressed on the cat-walk. By damn, I am too sexy for my shirt. As a society, maybe the lowest-rungers, we're doomed. Embrace the horror and stock-up on Brawndo. The thirst mutilator.