balthazar

>>"...240 horsepower...260 lb-ft"<< Getting closer to the '07 turbo Ecotec...

Damn; pinned down!

Whew- OK; it's a pie-inna-sky concept, nothing production intended. Good news; now get back to progressing the Buick language forward. And my snippet judgement stands- the exterior is awful.

Can't decide on that interior- first impression is : busy. Not sure I get the stylistic point of the horizontal grillework in the interior, either. I would have liked to see a stylistic evolution of the current interior rather than another from scratch job. Interior pic looks CG. Exterior looks a lot better than I was expecting, but certain elements conspire to make the entire car look notably smaller IMO. And while the pseudo-sporty cues have amped up, it's lost the classiness the current car wears so well. More pics needed.

From the tiny pic, looks to be exceedingly atrocious. Sure hope it's greatly productionized and most of those sharp creases & flying edges are tamed down.

Ya- Impala was a 2-dr hardtop or a convert in '58. >>"...which I understand has a different body altogether than the lesser models of that year..."<< Nooo- same body shell, only sheet metal difference was the 'air extractor' on the roof and the rest was trim, but the shell was the same as the other C-58s.

^ they're ALL the wrong generation

Come get it, but be quick- the guy threatened to scrap it if he couldn't get $1K. I'm going to have to see what he thinks now tho... ocnblu- I think the thought there was to make it more sporty or custom or something. It was well done, but weird all the same. I think the rear was split too, not sure.

Chevrolet Celebrity 1st gen Lumina 2005-2011 Mustang. It can be done, assuming the individual elements were not huge. I think it would look VERY distinctive to put 6 lights across the back... 2 on the body, 4 on the trunk. I see there are different terms of definitions here. One could call this 4 taillights, another could call it 10. I call it 2: You say "6 tails" and I picture something like this; distinct & separate :

There is without a doubt an element of 'feels off' to it on the surface, but if we're going to focus on HP alone, recall the years the 'bottom feeder' Chevelle SS offered up to 450 HP while the 'uplevel' GTO offered only 366. Even higher Buick GS offered but 360. No outcry from the thousands of GTO & GS buyers, because these were very different cars that appealed to buyers on a myriad of levels. That's the key right there.

Only got that 1 shot of it. Asking price was $9500.

There is NO REASON a large car segment across GM Divisions needs to have no overlap in HP. In the heyday that was never an issue, and in fact Chevy got away with the highest Division HP ratings then, too (LS6 = 450). No one spec figure determines anything and well-done differentiation can address all concerns here. GM needs to get back to that (and they are moving that way IMO) and these will become "Buick" and "Chevys" again, rather than 'GM cars'.

Hemmings and any period MoPar sites are your best bet IMO.

^ Yes, it's a 4-dr... I posted above that it was a 4-dr sedan, but now I'm thinking it was a hardtop. Yep- 90% sure it's a 4-dr hardtop. I really didn't pay any attention to it- the '60 was 2 cars away.

^ Don't often see a pair of 1 year flank-to-flank like this ^ Rather stupid of me- the blue Cat is a '67, the white Bonne is a '68. I don't see many '68s- they were not advertised from the rear & I forgot the rear harkens so much after the '67s. I tend to place the '68s in a separate category based on the fact they dropped the stacked headlights in '68... a category I tend to ignore as inferior. Sorry for the mis-label.

sounds like a miata. mazda somehow managed to move over 400,000 units over 8 years with relatively no updates. 2nd gen is running on 13 years currently, and tho sales have not matched the early car's, there seems to be a real market there. 30/42 mpg is going to pull in some buyers who'd rather not be stuck in a pedestrian penalty pod. Still, not sure this is where the money should go right now...

One more sweetie:

I know the guy with the blue Cat- not sure how much he was asking. A rather pedestrian 4-dr sedan I have no interest in, but I could find out if you wanted. I talked to the guy with the Bonne coupe. He thinks he sitting on something. Black bench interior is nice, but it's a low-option car (A/C). 108K, but every panel is tagged in some way, there's minor rot around the RR wheels, and considerable bubbling under the Cordova top. He wants $4000 (was asking $4500 there), and he doesn't have the title. I'd give him $1500 if I wanted it, maybe $2K with the title. I didn't like the guy, and I only talked to him on the phone. He talked like everyone asking about his unwanted car was an idiot. Englishtown Raceway Park. They host a 3-day swap meet every spring & fall. It's been getting suckier over time; if you are just looking for something vintage to mess with, you'll find something as the above pics symbolize... but if you are searching for something specific beyond Chevy and older than 1975, you are likely to come away empty-handed. Still, it's close to me and I almost never miss it. http://www.etownraceway.com/

^ I would agree... but add that nothing (short of a full-size truck) has the overall width to pull off 6 taillights anymore.

^ Caddy used the 472 in the non-Eldorados from '70 thru '74, then used the 500 across the line (except Seville ) in '75-76. 472 would be 7.7L for you slavering fans of the metric system.

ZERO rot- no plastic, only 2044 built. You need a parade permit tho... : I am liking these the more I see them in person...

Tin Indian fans: ^ asking $1000, had decent interior ^ Don't often see a pair of 1 year flank-to-flank like this ^ $7500 One for roger: Dodges of a feather: Would've been strongly tempting if it had a bed (Studebaker Champ): Hudson Wasp, asking $22K: English Ford Escort: There were four:

Rain started killing off the day around 1, but before that some interesting stuff was spotted.

# vehicle • powertrain • built in • orig miles • status 01 1964 Pontiac Grand Prix 2-dr hdtp • 389 V8 3sd auto RWD • Pontiac MI • 55K • still own 02 1964 Pontiac Catalina Ventura 4-dr sdn • 389 V8 3sd auto RWD • Linden NJ • 148K • sold 03 1956 Buick Super Riviera 4-dr hdtp • 322 V8 2sd auto RWD • Kansas Cty KS • 67K • sold 04 1978 Plymouth Volare 4-dr sdn • 225 I6 3sd auto RWD • Newark DE • 8K • sold 05 1959 Buick Invicta 2-dr hdtp • 401 V8 2sd auto RWD • Wilmington DE •103K • still own 06 1959 Buick Electra 4-dr hdtp • 401 V8 2sd auto RWD • Wilmington DE • 87K • parted out 07 1973 Dodge Charger Rallye 2-dr hdtp • 440 V8 4sd man RWD • LynchRd MI • 96K • sold 08 1965 Pontiac Catalina 2-dr sdn • 389 V8 3sd auto RWD • Linden NJ • 126K • sold 09 1964 Pontiac Catalina 4-dr sdn • 389 V8 3sd auto RWD • Linden NJ • 69K • still own 10 1964 Merc Park Lane Marauder 2-dr hdtp • 390 V8 3sd auto RWD • Wayne NJ • 144K • sold 11 1965 Pontiac Bonneville 4-dr hdtp • 389 V8 3sd auto RWD • Linden NJ • 62K • sold 12 1966 Pontiac Grand Prix 2-dr hdtp • 389 V8 3sd auto RWD • Linden NJ • 159K • parted out 13 1957 Ford F-250 Styleside • 292 V8 3sd man • Mahwah NJ • 124K • sold 14 1994 Ford F-150 XL • 300 I6 4-spd auto • Norfolk VA • 0K • sold 15 1972 Buick Riviera 2-dr hdtp • 455 V8 3sd auto • Flint MI • 97K • parted out 16 1965 Pontiac Bonneville 2-dr hdtp • 389 V8 3sd auto • Pontiac MI • 78K • parted out 17 1940 Ford COE cab/chassis • 239 V8 8sd auto • unknown assembly point • TMU • stil own 18 1963 Chevrolet Nova convertible • no powertrain • Willow Run MI • TMU • sold 19 1946 Ford F-1 pickup • 239 V8 4sd man • unknown assembly point • TMU • sold 20 2004 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 HD • 403 V8 5-sd auto • Flint MI • 46K • still own Average model year owned : 1965