balthazar

I don't believe pickups and SUVs are "competition" to a minivan.

Can't ban cigarettes, but they're going to ban 98% of the market. It'll be extended.

Maybe buying a limited model & just holding on to it does pay off :

Transit buses & motor coaches may well have vastly different results monetarily. But if you remember; we've discussed school buses specifically before. As your earlier link stated- they are the largest bus fleet in the U.S., but as opposed to an annual mileage of a transit bus being 87K/yr, a school bus only averages 8K/yr - 1/11th the mileage. Therefore, the fuel used is 1/11th (and nearly no maintenance- that's 1 oil change), and a BE bus desperately needs high mileage to overcome the 2.5 times higher purchase costs. Eventually, fuel costs over 87K miles/yr/many years can overcome a huge price disparity... but that's not the case with school buses. Add into it the common practice the vast majority of school districts do, which is to cap the year span of a buses' service life, and thusly; shorten the return on investment, and it's never remotely going to come close to running a IC bus. Unless... one day, battery packs fall to 10% of their current cost, or they keep a BE school bus in service for double or more their current time spans. Maybe these things will happen, but they don't currently. You have to admit; it's a rarity where one solution fits all scenarios.

Hey; stop damning another EV on price alone!

EV school buses are still far more expensive than diesel options :

Why do you think there aren't many vans on the market? Even your brand's van flopped hard.

^ Also skewed by luxury vehicles/trucks. I would assume sliding back toward a more 'normal' product mix would further correct the ATP overall (it was down slightly from the recent peak), but the bulk of upcoming EVs are still starting pretty high-priced. Lyriq is the next GM EV and it starts at $60K, too. Have to see how it looks in a year.

February '22 average new vehicle transaction price : $46,085. [~ KBB.com] February '22 average new EV vehicle transaction price : $60,064. [~ Edmunds]

Why laugh?? There are people getting horrifically gouged by market adjustment pricing out there.

[reads up on Hyundai Motor Group...] Got it.

So... an option. Yes, it will be interesting to see the MSRP once set.

Maybe houses should have tight price controls / MSRPs. 🤣

Minivans don’t sell well at all, but there’s still room for some. It’s kinda cute. However, I see speculation it may start “under $50K” with zero options, so that’s not going to help with volume much.

Always good to look at the big picture :

But my initial post wasn't about comparing the trucks as if cross-shopping them, but about gas + IC truck price vs. BE truck price. Other than a slow trickle of Rivian's, the Silverado / GMC BE's aren't out, and [correct me if wrong] neither is the Lightning. So one couldn't 'shop them currently' anyway. BTW : there's a local dealer who's website says they 'never charge more than $300 over MSRP', plus I've read in passing about a couple others doing the same currently (not that I've researched this), so I could get one at MSRP today [no; not anywhere near the deal I got].

480,000 + 96,000 + 35,000... but don't forget the Gov't fleet of 695,000. 1,306,000,000 vehicles, all a factor of anywhere from twice to 5 times the cost of the existing fleet... 3/4s of a trillion? Factor in the time & inefficiency element to do so (50 years) and it'll grow to 2 trillion. Then there's the recycling of 1.3 million vehicles, plus -of course- the taxes, fees, certification and administrative costs for the recycling... make it 5 trillion. No prob- take 6-9 months.

Lot of time, vision & money went into it.

Lightning, crew cab/6.5' bed, full-size, $72K. I'm perfectly capable of making a legitimate feature-for-feature comparison. Mine is a full crew cab/6.5' bed : 157 glorious inches of wheelbase.

^ Not for my truck; nothing. :sad:

I think what you were looking at was in error; I've never seen an OEM spec that 'shaved off' the reserve in reporting capacity. Twice I've put 22.7 gals in mine. My previous 6.6L had a ridiculous reserve capacity or like 15 gals for some reason. I'd drive it 50-90 miles on the low fuel light knowing that, but this truck I fuel the day the low fuel light goes on. I should give myself more of a buffer- 22.7 on a 24.0 tank is cutting it close. What I miss is my dual-tank F-150; 36.5 gal capacity.

I thought bed length didn’t matter? However, when I priced the Lightning, it was the 6.5’-ish bed. As far as my truck specs you quoted; I certainly didn’t pay 1. a market adjustment, or 2. mSRP. 😆

Irrelevant; he wasn’t at all ‘afraid of the future’ / new to a BE recharging scenario as you implied.

Incorrect- GM 3.0Ls have a 24-gal tank, so at GMC’s highway rating of 26, that’s a 624 mile range (yeah; you’re not running it down to the last drop). Fuelly.com has these motors averaging 25, but a lot of owners who do a lot of highway driving are getting in the low-mid 30s. Personally, I only do 9500-10K miles/yr, so it’d take me a lot longer to ‘break even’ vs. a high-priced BE truck. One more ‘hidden’ factor in the bottom line comparison; you’re going to be paying a significant chunk more in interest carrying (in my example’s case) $24K more in balance. And interest rates are rising…

Hope so.