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GM frequently used design cues from concepts on later production cars, regardless of Divisional badging between the 2. So one can see cues that remind one of other RPO cars, but the concept here came out of the Pontiac Studio:

Still gotta wonder- why no 3-row cars or 3-row pickups? ?

^ Is that a $54K Discovery with those black plastic hood vent eyesores? Guess I never realized the 3rd rows are usually/always behind the rear axle. In the Lyriq, not sure if there'd be room then, despite it having 7" more wheelbase than the Discovery. Serious question : how do (tiny) people get into the 3rd row of these- climb over a folded 2nd row setback? I've never seen inside of a 3rd row SUV/CUV.

I've never seen one of these, must not be any survivors left past the 1970s.

But the Escalade ALSO comes as a 2-row; does that mean it's not full-size???

That, my friend, is what's known as a 'hot mess'. - - - - - '16 Malibu 1.5T. Have to say, this car is a huge improvement over the '09 that preceded it. It does 90 on the highway like it's doing 40. The power is also very good as is the handling/ride/steering.

Gruesome!

The more real scenario is going all BE by 2025 or 2030 and the BE market share is only 10% then! So your contention is that MB develops a completely separate/new eqs, then drops it and just makes the S-class a BE? Then then lose everything they put into the marketing & image-building. Makes no sense! MB should’ve had the LAST gen s-class come out as a 700-mile BE with some expression in its design for a change.

China saved Buick, China is saving Mercedes. As volume dwindles, profits dwindle. In another 5 years, s-class will probably be selling less than 6000 units, when it used to be around 32,000. Daimler will push for the eqs to replace the s, there's no sense in having dual lines (except the profit margin on the eqs may not be there). But the issue facing ALL OEMs is that consumers don't really want BE cars. There's no automatic assumption s-class buyers are all going to switch over to the eqs, not at all. Probably why Daimler has been so ass-draggingly slow to get BE's out.

mercedes problem is, people are turning away from the s-class in droves; sales are down to 50% in 2019 from just 5 years earlier, and it peaked way back in 2006. The cash cow is going to have to be put out to pasture. Unfortunately, BE's only sell at a 2% take rate, which means eqs US sales would drop to probably under 500 units/yr once the 'gotta haves' get in early. The 'used bar of soap' look from 2000 isn't going to help at all because it looks cheap but dealers will try and gouge buyers.

[ gonna whisper this. slid under my '04 today, and found that 4 of the 6 cab mounts' lower bushing and the giant retaining washer are gone- rotted away. So it seems there's really only 2 bolts holding the cab on. #wheresmytruck? ]

Hmmmm.... that doesn't place as high on my list.

^ I would not approve a 7-pass Lyriq were I at Cadillac; 3rd rows are superfluous and a given brand does NOT have to cater to every segment & trim & seating & power tiers. - - - - - Thanks for the correction on the Escalade - saw something that stated the IRS allowed a 3rd row in the standard E for 2021 - perhaps I misinterpreted.

SOME consumers demand them, yes. OTHERS don't see the need. Cadillac XT5 handily outsells the 3-row XT6, also. Maybe more Cadillac buyers are between 1-4 in their family. No Range Rovers have 7-seats standard, and the largest model doesn't offer it at all, I believe. It's not that high of a demand... unless you have specific figures you want to post. Bottom line, as stated earlier; Lyric has the chassis length to accommodate 3 rows if Cadillac decides it wants to offer it.

Overall is shorter, yes, but wheelbase addresses your worry about 3rd row seating- it's plenty long enough to carry a 3rd row between the axles. However, note that the standard wheelbase (2-row until 2021) Escalade always outsells the 3-row Escalade ESV. That's probably the best real world demographic snapshot. mercedes has one- the GLS. Are they going after the Escalade ESV then (134" WB)?

• Lyric has a 2-in longer wheelbase than the Escalade. • 3rd rows are vastly overweighted. Families are smaller than in the past, and when sedans ruled the roads as familial transportation, there weren't any 3rd rows there. • IMO, there's 'concept', I guess we can slip in 'pre-production', and 'production'. 'Pre-production' would be in the neighborhood of 85%-90% (or higher) as 'production' is, and that would include OEM 'numbers' claims. Whereas a concept may be as low as 10% of a production vehicle. Again; IMO.

No; ‘production = real world’ . It’s ‘concept‘ thats not real (unless it subsequently becomes real/#never@mercedesbenz). That said; OEM claims would be certified & tested against, but you’re definitely in the ballpark by then.

Pontiac badged.

With a 122" wheelbase and a 78" width, the Lyric is full-size. That WB is 1 inch off the GLS & 8 inches longer than a GLE. Oh, OK; so let's wait & see the production specs and test results. Good idea.

Why would you assume that? Tesla has different motor ratings in the 3 / S, and even Mercedes uses different engines in the e / s. There'd be little reason to have separate adjacent models on the same platforms using the same motor outputs.

If so, the range undoubtedly will be worse there. Then why did you mention a false range claim more than once in this very thread? Mercedes already copied it from it's old stable-mate; Chrysler. It's not only not new, it's QUITE old.

Sources are predicting the eqs's 478 mile range will be adjusted to under 400 miles in the U.S.. Tesla claims the Model S Plaid+ range is 520 miles. They're trying to challenge the dominate Tesla; Daimler needs to have a 600 mile range out of the box and as a base. Then offer a 750-mile range topper.

'A nice cruiser but those old cars are slow compared to modern cars!' - - - - -

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