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The TL if it grows 5 inches is 194.3 inches long, which is about what the Accord is. The Acura RL is 193.6 inches long, so Acura has 2 cars of the same size, with basically the same power/drive configuration. Edmunds says the TL is square in the mid size market with the 5-series and E-class, but the TL is $34-42,000. Do they not know an E-class bases at $52,000, a base E-class is more than a loaded RL. And the MKS is 204 inches long, that is the size an extended 7-series or LS460L, so that isn't in the mid-size segment either. What will hurt the MKS is it is huge and front drive, which isn't a good combination Lucerne and DTS sales are proof of that. The MKS may take the big front drive market away from the G-body cars or Town Car, but that is about it. If these brands want to go after the Germans they better use rear drive, overly engineered cars that are low in weight.

Buick isn't a luxury car, so it shouldn't be at a Cadillac dealership. And Saab is just as weak in Europe as they are here, there is no reason for keeping a brand that doesn't sell and doesn't make money.

Hard for the Malibu to post better sales when GM produces the Impala, Aura, G6, LaCrosse that are within a couple thousand dollars of the Malibu and compete with it. Plus the Accord and Camry have solid reputations and their customer base is loyal.

Which is why I thought 2 years ago they should let Buick die off, sell Saab and Hummer, and put the money into Cadillac. Instead we have dated Saabs, dated Buicks, and the CTS as the only competitive Cadillac, th rest are dated. None of GM's brands will be all that competitive when they half ass the products for them.

Why put a V8 in a front drive car? 275 hp is about the limit to front drive cars without massive torque steer, they can get 300 hp from a V6, no need for a V8 in anything front drive. Plus the heavier engine messes up the already bad weight balance.

She seems to like it. I don't know how they claim it is the "finest luxury crossover ever" when it isn't even the best luxury crossover in GM. The SRX is far superior, as is the X5, and the MDX though ugly gets good reviews.

That is a hideous looking car from every angle. Using the Accord interior with a bigger nav screen, a few more buttons and some metal trim doesn't make it a luxury car. Acura sales should keep on going down.

Anyone buying that car does not care about the price. They buy it because it is a Rolls Royce.

Well since most people cut back on rentals, except Chrysler, there is a demand for rental cars, that Pontiac and Buick seem eager to fill. What's sad is that Century in the picture was sold until 2004. A 1994 BMW or Lexus looks more modern than that.

This is what I expected, GM makes bland sedans that compete with each other. Two years ago I thought they should kill Buick and Saab off and divert those resources to Cadillac. Now Buick and Saab sales are down 50% and Cadillac is getting models cut due to lack of funds. GM is being stupid with Saturn. They tried to take an econo-car brand up market, and did it with products that have similar materials and features as run of the mill Chevys. Saturn was like the Kia of the 90s, and all of a sudden they think it can get a premium price? At least Hyundai with the Genesis put a lot of development into the car and made a good product, and they still have the lower end cars that they always had. Cadillac is on the path to become Lincoln, a new Impala could replace the Buick sedans, Pontiacs and GMCs are rebadges anyway. I could see a cash strapped GM one day being Chevy-Saturn-Cadillac, much like Ford-Mercury-Lincoln. And Saturn will still suck.

This car looks generic, much like the current Buick sedans that have almost disappeared in the market place. I bet this car bases around $25k, more than the current LaCrosse, but less than the Lucerne. $25k is a Malibu LTZ, so I'd expect a slightly better interior and a DI or turbo 4 with the V6 optional, but cheaper wheels and cloth seats standard to keep production costs down. Plus if they sell it for $26-27k, they can sell it to the rental car agencies to rent as a "premium car" like they do with Chrysler 300s.

Looks boring, Accord style headlights with 5-series ripoff tail lights. The interior is similar shape to a Malibu LTZ but only a mild upgrade from it, the Lincoln MKZ is nicer than the new LaCrosse. Plus the new MKZ comes out before this and will have some upgrades.

I like the Vanquish most, then DBS. Although the DB5 is best looking Aston ever.

A full size rwd Cadillac would only have to be 2 inches longer than an STS. The 7-series and Lexus LS are that length. The current DTS is too large. Jaguar XJ is 3,770 pounds, lighter than a base CTS, over 200 pounds less than a G8, and it is bigger than either car and has more equipment in it. Although I agree that some of the safety stuff is overkill, it just makes for heavier cars.

I agree. They sold 2100 DTS last month, down 55% from the year before and the DTS is about 30% fleet sale. Year to date they have sold 18,000, that puts them at about 30k a year, they used to sell over 100k a year DeVilles, the market for big front drive cars is gone. Buick can sell a floaty front driver, Cadillac has to build cars for the future. Cadillac spent too many years building cars for the old customer base, and that base is now gone and the luxury market has changed.

No, personally I wouldn't pay anything for a Buick, but I agree the typical buyer won't pay $48k for one. But a $24k Malibu, or Fusion has a 6 speed and a platform made in the past 5 years. At least the Lincoln MKZ and MKS have modern chassis/powertrains, Buick should have been more like those cars or like the Avalon is.

But the 7-series didn't get the axe to pay for 3-series work. This is GM's problem on every brand, one thing is cut to pay for another. Zeta was originally delayed to get GMT900s out faster. They have too many models, not enough cash, and banking everything on trucks and SUVs 10 years ago wasn't a great idea. There are 2007 used DTS out there for $23,000 and 05 STS sells for about what an 05 Accord sells for. Used Cadillacs are really cheap, a much better buy than a new Buick or Impala.

Then the Lucerne should weigh less and not have a 4-speed automatic designed in 1987 or whenever the 4T60 came out. GM has overweight vehicles all across their lineup. Maybe they should invest in newer platforms with more aluminum or high tensile steel to save weight.

Just in time for the launch of an all new 3-series. Cadillac on the first try has to build something better than the current 3-series which BMW has had 30 or so years to perfect, good luck to them.

We still have the G8, which is selling at about 1400 a month now. I said a year ago that would be a sales bust, they'll be lucky to move 18,000 of them this year, probably will sell 15,000 next year, and it will fade like the GTO did. The GTO was a flop, and they repeated it, the car was never designed for our market. Zeta isn't good enough for a Cadillac (or at least what a Cadillac should be). But with no flagship, STS and DTS soon going away, XLR probably going away, Cadillac is going to have CTS in 3 body styles, SRX (the FWD one) and the Escalade as their line up. They have become Lincoln, the brand is becoming as dead as Pontiac and Buick, with one competitive product and a lot of dated stuff with poor resale values. Too many brands and models and no money. Cadillac in 5 years will just be a dressed up Chevy, struggling to compete with Acura, because GM is too broke to do anything different, sad.

17/26 mpg out of a 229 hp engine, the Toyota Avalon has 268 hp and gets 19/28 mpg. Buick is 40 hp and 2 mpg short, and the Avalon is nothing amazing. The Genesis gets 18/27 mpg and has 290 hp, and is rear drive. But GM says they can't do rear drive due to CAFE. Does anyone else find it odd that Buick's flagship is upgrading it's engine by using the mid-level engine from an 06 Impala/Monte Carlo? They aren't a premium brand if the best they can do is what Chevy had 3 years ago.

The G8 is longer and heavier than a 5-series, the G8 is the same size as the STS. Neither the STS or G8 can handle like a 5-series, and in a year the 550i will have 450 lb-ft of torque so the acceleration battle that is close now won't be anymore. The TL isn't as luxurious as a CTS, let alone a 5-series, but I agree that the new TL is ugly.

The new SRX will probably sell better because it will be cheaper. Plus the GMT360s will be about gone, so the Equinox/SRX/9-4x will be GMs only midsize SUVs. The Lexus RX and Lincoln MKX have front wheel drive standard so Cadillac may go front wheel for low cost and higher mileage but front drive doesn't help Cadillac's image any. There is a new Lexus RX out next year, plus the Mercedes GLK and new X3 are coming soon, so the SRX better be good. Although I think it will be what the Lincoln MKX is to the Ford Edge, and just a fancy Equinox. Acura and Lexus have seen sales declines with their entry level models, you'd think they and GM would learn you can't challenge the Germans with a front drive, fancy Honda or Chevy.

Agreed. The 08 Fit was sold out, they are increasing production for the 2009 model, which is a new model. This is why Honda does well, the Fit was the best car in the class, and they updated it anyway so they stay #1.

Practically 50% of GM's lineup needs replaced, one vehicle per brand won't do a thing. Buick got the Enclave, Saturn got 5 new models, Pontiac got the G8 and Solstice, Cadillac got the CTS, and all those brands are down over the last couple years. The problem is how does a cash strapped company get that much competitive product out and learn how to make money on small vehicles, which they have yet to be able to do. I don't like the Wave/G3 idea, if Pontiac is just going to be a cheaped out chevy rebadge, don't even bother with the brand. I disagree with the guy that the new SSRX will be a better crossover, front drive on an Equinox platform is not better than rear drive on a CTS platform.