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Well then you'd be pleased if my hopes come true as well. I believe that the only shot GMNA has left is three sales channels comprised of all of the core brands. We've all heard about " too big too fail", right? Well, the way I see it, anything less than Chevy, Cadillac, and BPG would be "too small to succeed".

Buick simply cannot ever make it as a stand alone brand! Please! You must be joking.

On that first part there can be no argument, easy isn't part of this reality. As for the second, maybe if you're lucky. However, Buick isn't likely to manage anything beyond niche status here in North America without a minor miracle. Especially in Cadillac's shadow. But let's assume that all goes exceptionally well. Even then it is unlikely that Chevy, Cadillac and Buick alone will ever be able to bring GMNA back into the black. Much like the baby boom will demolish social security, GM's past will destroy any future such a scaled-down version might otherwise have. I think this approach just ends it for GMNA.

Not so fast! Easy? I think not. After you go through all of the expense and disaster of killing BPG, Saturn, Hummer, and Saab, what do you have? - Debt that will last longer than cars as we know them - Permanent loss of a major chunk of market share - A PR disaster - No money for those New Buicks - And those Buicks will start from a near zero spot in the eyes of the buying public even if you can borrow the money to create them. That plan is suicide.

I don't dispute what GM has said. I just don't think its too smart. As for PCS, well...

Yeah right. Way to turn Buick into Saab. GM's "also-ran" brand no one will buy. And where will they buy it anyway? Bad, bad, plan.

Z gets it. But then he always has.

Prudent or not, we'll be doing it.

And, if you've read this far, you know I never made that claim. What I said was that None of the three can survive without the other two. Meaning the BPG channel would fail with two brands as opposed to three. As I said before, you could hide a Chinese Buick in the back of a Caddy showroom but that's about it.

I think I'll skip that particular snack.

I have no argument with what you are saying about the mechanics, Croc. Nor the uncertainty for that matter. I'm just taking a larger, more inclusive, historical, view of it all. We have always played with fire... and always will.

My apologies, just saw it.

Perfectly awful, actually. And you didn't vote. Mister!

Or not.

Perhaps. And then just Chevy and Cadillac... And then just Chevy... And then...

Easy boys, make sure this stays civil...

Here we are about two months out from "D-day", what do you predict GM will look like when the dust settles?

Where would you sell it,DF ?

Semantic issues mostly, Loki.

So tell me Hyper, do you predict that GM will be only Chevy and Cadillac when the dust settles? And do you advocate that as a plan they should adopt? Just wondering.

I hope more people post in this thread. Especially with pictures. I hope to get a sense of the C&G community's take on the Buicks that made big impressions.

Glad to hear it. Where are the pics? :AH-HA_wink:

OK, I didn't like the way "treatment" looked in my post either. How about we substitute "hubris".

OK Wildcat, we'll just let this go rather than clutter this thread any further. But you still don't get what I've been saying, and it bugs me that I've been unable to explain it to you.

Nah, that kind of treatment is reserved for the financial sector.