Camino LS6

Not entirely true. GMC has offered both drivetrains and entire models not duplicated at Chevy quite a few times over the years. Yes, they have been very close for the most part, but that is not the whole story.

In the late 70's it was 1 in 7 jobs in the US. Without this industry, we become a has been, 2nd tier nation. Make a choice.

I might have been wrong about the interior color on the MT feature car - it was a very long time ago.

I've spent quite a bit of time in a number of "Pontiac lands". I was hoping you'd see this topic. I remember an old Motor Trend "retrospective" of the FI '57 Bonneville convertible back in pre-internet days. The car was a stunning white with a red interior dripping in chrome - not my usual style, but Damn! I stared at that centerfold for quite some time. :AH-HA_wink:

Buick is core in a literal fashion, GM was built around it in the first place. For sales in NA, it certainly is not, and then there is China... I imagine that GM would be unwilling to kill Buick under any circumstance, and I guess I have to respect that - or be branded as a hypocrite. There just really isn't much in the way of a viable business case for it here anymore. That will have to change in short order.

The concept behind it was flawed from the start, it began as a de facto admission of incompetence - not an auspicious beginning. It then became a massive revenue drain that has never given GM any ROI in it's entire history. Worse than that it compromised the established brands (fatally for Olds) and continues to do so today. Had it been done within the framework of existing brands, it may have been the exact opposite of what it is. But hindsight is 20/20, and the bottom line is that the Saturn experiment failed. Sad maybe, but that's the truth.

Well. Seems both Cadillac and Oldsmoboi have had their moment in this thread. I'd say that both have been long suffering and can now smile. :AH-HA_wink: Now back to our regularly scheduled civility.

If Saturn had never existed as a separate entity, and the good ideas behind it had been implemented at the lower end of the core brands, we might not even be in this mess right now. That's where the rub is. I think GM would continue Saturn if it were financially possible, but they are hamstrung by the small dealer network of stand-alone stores, and it would take another huge infusion of cash to even make a decent run at the problem. Saturn has cost GM dearly since the beginning, and keeping the brand now doesn't look feasible no matter what other brands would be cancelled to do so. Also, the plan indicates that Opels would make their way to Buick - so the actual cars may not be lost at all. Too early to tell.

Sorry you feel that way Saturndood, but think it through. What you like at Saturn will still be available, most likely, under another name. Opel isn't going anywhere. You'll find quite a bit of animosity directed at Saturn around here (from me, for example), but it has nothing to do with the current cars and everything to do with the damage done to GM for the benefit of the Saturn brand. Some terrible prices have been paid to give Saturn quite a few chances to "get there" and it never happened. And hey, nothing is a done deal just yet.

Read this: http://www.g8board.com/forums/showpost.php...mp;postcount=11

Without this assistance, GM would be gone by New Years. Read the whole plan, they are paring down dramatically.

I hate to admit that I haven't even washed it recently, so no.

Thanks for posting the link.

You're a great guy HE, but I disagree with you on all points. Given the circumstances.

And we will. :AH-HA_wink:

Always nice to have another Libertarian around. :AH-HA_wink:

The problem is that next to Ford's and GM's plans, this one looks to be lacking. Given the politicians' desire to scold...

There's a whole lot of wait and see time before any guess will be worth a damn.

Agreed! Infinitely nicer than that ill-proportioned turd they sell today.

OK, so add the Escalade EXT to the list of replaced vehicles. That works.

Interesting idea. A quasi replacement for both the Canyon and the H3T?

Buick should benefit if Acadia and Outlook both go away. IMO, GM really sabotaged a hit when they built competition for Enclave.

Major step up! Just don't let Walt know. :AH-HA_wink:

I see it as the tallest order in this plan. I really hope it works, but it will be tough.

That's the hope.