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Maybe. The Senator was actually being quite logical in the way he presented it, showing the skill of an old politician. He would like nothing better than to kill Chrysler and leave GM the blame (saving $10B in costs per year, he asserts). The irony of it all was that you could see both Nardelli's and Wagoner's eyes light up at the possibility. Deer in the headlights? Or CEOs in their natural habitat: a merger? Like I said, I'm thinkng about it.

Nope. Any "bankruptcy" plan is DOA. You were closer before.

Now that I know it's there, and if I squint real hard, I can almost see it.

I have seen structural concrete girders transported on an angle, which might account for the vee.

Mega-heavy and fits into a vee just says missile to me.

Having been (and driven) there, I can't really disagree. But I do have to say that it qualifies as the most illogical place that I have ever been layoutwise. Just nuts.

Well, I think that it improved dramatically since two weeks ago actually. As for your prediction, it isn't much of a stretch if you watched the proceedings today.

The more I look at it, the more I like this answer.

Don't worry, I tend to be resourceful.

Something heavy in the extreme. Some of the above guesses crossed my mind. Maybe a huge track loader?

After that, no one can tell me that the press doesn't have an agenda!

The way Bennet sees it, Chrysler can't stand on its own and there isn't room for three domestics anymore. He tried to bully Wagoner and Nardelli into agreeing to the merger on the spot. Nardelli essentially did and Wagoner came close. I'll keep what I think of the idea to myself for now, I'm still thinking about the implications and what it would really mean.

Good stuff! Onward to 200k! :AH-HA_wink:

Tip of the Iceberg, I'm afraid. I very much doubt that there will be a "next season" for me in the Landscape biz. I am somewhat at loose ends.

I think the marketshare questions were a lead-up to Bennet's near-demand that GM take over Chrysler. BTW: Bennet said he has an Explorer and an Olds 88 and Dodd said he has an Escape

The story of the Avro Arrow is quite an interesting one. What initially looked like corporate sabotage by American companies, actually covered-up the discovery that the Soviets had compromised the security of the technology, and thus the plane itself. Shortly afterward the Mig 21 made its appearance. The US and Canada had to hide the fact that they knew about the spying to keep a tactical advantage by making it look as though American greed was responsible. Sad story, really.

We have to learn to help each other out these days. Some of us here buy lots of GM parts...

Umm, well, I can barely afford to take care of the dogs at this point. But if I can't sell the Jag, I could use some help restoring it. :AH-HA_wink:

I have seen that China story before, I thought you had heard something new. I put anything coming from TTAC "on ignore". The other link is an interesting perspective to have...

That's a whole new can of worms...

Yes, but wrapped in a thoroughly modern package (which far outperforms the Pontiacs of lore). Sounds like the future to me.

Wagoner did ok, but his extreme lack of skill in PR situations like this was clear. He missed too many opportunities to set the record straight. Nardelli was frank and blunt, he easily had the toughest time of the three - essentially being told that Chrysler was finished and that he was either lying or a fool. But his frank answers may have saved him. Mulally is quite skilled when it comes to this sort of thing, but he had the benefit of being in a position that allowed him great lattitude due to Ford's ability to go without loans at all if the climate stabilizes. If there was a flaw in his delivery, it would be a tiny hint of smug, self-assuredness. Gettelfinger was brutalized by several senators, but held his own nicely with defenders on the commitee as well as Wagoner - who treated him with a degree of respect some senators couldn't muster. The CEO of Johnson Controls lent lucidity to the realities that failure would cause, and was compelling in his testimony. The president of the CT dealer's assoc. gave insight into local impact failure would cause for state and local governments as well as real people "in your district,senator". The man was the most emotional of the bunch. The financial expert was logical and his opinions stark. He categorized the cost of collapse as "catastrophic". He did dispute the ultimate cost of the backing, stating that rather than the $34B number requested by the Big3, the ultimate cost would likely run closer to a total of $75- 125B. To be fair, he later explained that his numbers included the already appropriated $25B for green tech, the requested $34B, and money from T.A.R.P. for the finance arms of the companies from the already approved financial bailout of $700B. A great deal of rationality was displayed by most of those involved, but not all. I think I'll leave it there for now.

The chairman (Senator Dodd) gets it, but his agenda of blaming the administration, the treasury, and the Fed, for any possible failure showed through his seeming resolve. But not too badly. And he does have a point.

The balance of the commitee at least seemed to understand that action must be taken. There was evidence that a far better understanding of both the business, and the implications that would come with failure. The low spots came from the aforementioned low-life from South Carolina, and from another GOP senator addicted to bankruptcy as the only solution. But, even his opinion had softened ever so slightly by the end.

Impression #1 Senator Shelby remains a self-serving, lie-perpetuating, agenda-driven sack of hypocrisy. ...and the dirtbag left early (no loss).