Camino LS6

You know, if it were the 2009 model year my answers would be different. :AH-HA_wink:

That's just semantics, the obvious meaning here would be "brand".

Caddy: XLR-V Chevy: Zo6 Pontiac: Solstice ZOK SCCA prep package Saturn: Sky Redline Holden: HSV Maloo GMC: Sierra extd. cab short bed 4x4 Duramax Buick,Opel,Hummer,Vauxhall, and Saab would all be the highest MSRP possible and then re-sold to get more things I like.

So far, all of our comments have been posted.

Love it!

They posted it. Fly should post his rebuttal there as well.

I had to add another response to a rebuttal of my original post: Chris, If GM had simply invested in creating the same sort of car as the early Saturns for its then existing divisions instead of creating an entirely new division from scratch, literally billions could have been saved. The notion that they had to create an entirely new dealership structure, redundant R&D organization,manufacturing infrastructure, management structure, and all the myriad other expenses involved in launching a new brand just to build a competitive small car is patently absurd. Only now has Saturn become a viable and valueable asset to GM. The original concept was almost totally bereft of logic, excepting the buying/ownership experience. An expensive , roundabout way to learn to treat your customers with respect.

Well, they actually posted my reply: This article is nothing but pointless sentimental drivel. Caring about the old Saturn makes about as much sense as caring about the ugly ,old desk lamp in the Ikea commercial. From its inception, Saturn was an ill-conceived idea which rapidly became a black hole that GM threw money into. The Saturn experiment was a failure before it started and cost GM many times what it would have taken to bring its divisions up to par, and spare Oldsmobile its unfortunate fate. When the Saturn gamble was taken, fools were running the show. Thankfully, those days are over. Finally, Saturn is relevant in the market and GM is building great cars throughout the entire brand structure. Most of you folks commenting here are stuck in the past. Look beyond the knee-jerk loyalty to Japanese products, and you will find that GM, and Ford for that matter, are building some of the highest quality products currently on the market. It isn’t 1980 any more.

Ah the limits of internet "truth". Faced with those choices side-by-side, it wouldn't happen.

Thanks for posting this.

Details on this? or a link? Very interesting.

That's really funny as I would have pointed to that 1/4 as the homliest part of that design and the hatch as the homliest variant. Oh well, different strokes...

I'd have to hurt you. :AH-HA_wink:

I see the Ws as devilspawn just slightly less than I see Toyotas that way. Sorry.

Glad to hear it.

I forgot about that injury! The recovery going ok?

As I said in the other thread: Meh.

I wouldn't advise staking your life on any product from a Chinese manufacturer.

Don't sprain anything patting yourself on the back! :AH-HA_wink:

I wonder if those twits at the New York Times will have the cojones to post what I just submitted as commentary on that article. Only that rag would publish such an asinine article.

Saturn should never have existed in the first place. The fact that it persisted as long as it did left GM with little option but to re-make it, and they've done a great job.

Stupid and pointless article with a slew of comments by people without a clue. If you want to see the perception problem read them. What a bunch of ill-informed fools. Saturn was a stupid idea and a complete waste of resources, until now.

I really would have to hunt you down...

You won't catch me giving either one of them a pass. :AH-HA_wink:

Well, I don't want to jump on your case, so I'll just say that I think the Camry is one ugly porker of a sedan. As for something I like ( lookswise) that some others don't , I'd have to say the GTO.