Camino LS6

Here's the deal on the "To GM" section. Any post in this section must be approved by a mod before they can be seen. We set this up a long time ago and I had forgotten about it. So, don't be discouraged if your post doesn't immediately appear, a mod will eventually notice and approve it.

LS1 F-bodies get great mileage, often beyond EPA estimates.

a very detailed writeup: http://www.idavette.net/hib/ls1c.html

I tried to find some source material for you concerning the original smallblock vs, the LS1. This is the best I've found so far: http://www.tomorrowstechnician.com/tt/tt100526.htm

The problem I see with this approach is that of necessity, you are drawing from separate sources with separate definitions. If the purpose here is too create some sort of master list, I think you need to proceed from your own, new definition of what an engine family is and do the research with those parameters in mind. The first qualification I would use beyond basic configuration ( V8,I6, etc.) would be common castings and/or external dimensions. To do this "right" would take a great deal of raw research and questioning of the original parameters set out in the begining as specific engines challenge its validity along the way. Taking the word of someone you trust on the topic is no substitute for empirical data. What is your purpose behind this? Just curious.

Except that the T/A will likely have better resale at that point in time.

Sounds like you need to get another look.

OK, but what exactly is that definition? Trying to help here, but we all need to be on the same page.

Write down this date! I agree with enzl.

True, but she should have fun with the pic as her best friend is planning to buy a Sky or a Solstice.

Agreed. He should feel at home designing products for Europe with their pedestrian safety requirements forcing big, honking noses on everything.

Thanks for posting your pics,Drew. I just sent the one of my mom in the Sky to her - she'll get a kick out of that!

I love sedan deliveries, so this is one FWD that tugs at me a bit. Future RWD version on Alpha? Yes, please. A sedan delivery variant was considered by GM for the SSR - I would have loved it!

It seems to me that until you define the parameters of what a "family" of engines is, this discussion will be largely pointless. The term "family" is vague at best. Obviously, the definition you are using is quite loose if the LS engines and the older smallblocks fit into the same family. Give us the criteria you wish to use, and a more meaningful consensus might be possible. As is, we are just going in circles here.

Link: http://www.aatcars.com/index.html

I saw one of those awful things at the Chesterbrook cruise night. The Vette, on the other hand, is a very nice package that was pitched to GM as an anniversary model. GM declined so the company made them publically available (they look great in blue). The same company built the Buick Blackhawk show car and many other concepts. I used to have the link for their site, I'll check for it.

Its hell on Earth out there today. I had to cancel work for the day.

Very cool that you picked "Primal". I think you'll be surprised at how much you will save by putting the Camaros on Classic insurance, I bet that it will more than offset any additonal premium for the T/A over the Focus. You should do this even if you don't buy the T/A. I agree with Ocn, drive the T/A first.

Probably at least half.

And this:

Found this: V75 Liquid Tire "Chain" - An option on '69 Camaros that provided a dispenser with nozzles located in the rear tire wheel wells that would spray a special traction-enhancing liquid on the rear tires to help traction on snow and ice. Quite rare.

Yes. And sort of. It was a canister of something like antifreeze or ice melt which sprayed through a tube at the rear wheels (or just the one wheel, I can't remember). I doubt that it was too effective, but I could be wrong.

Then we better get those Holdens here faster. :AH-HA_wink: More bodystyles,please.

That's beyond thin - it could hold true for another manufacturer's engine. No external dimensions are shared, materials, castings, and even the firing order are different. Beyond being V8s, there is no commonality - even though each type had a 5.7 liter displacement, even that isn't really the same. The original smallblock 5.7 displaces 350 CI, whereas the LS1 displaces 346 CI. Apples and oranges.