Camino LS6

I hear and understand. I'd still advise you to sell the Camaro first and payoff the caddy. If you don't want to fix it, sell it as is and cut your losses. That Camaro will sell fast on Ebay this time of year.

68, I'm going to give you a serious response and you're not going to like it. Take it from a fellow car buying addict, your plans need new priorities. My advice is to sell the Camaro on Ebay with a high reserve (it will sell, trust me). then pay off and repair the Caddy. I'd tell you to sell the Datsun, but that won't net you enough to matter. Drive the Caddy until you find a more fitting daily driver to trade it on. Or sell it outright and drive the Datsun until you find something. Either way, your credit will get a boost along with your buying power while giving you more time and flexibility in making your daily driver decision.

I found myself at a Jeep lot when these things first came out. My comment to the salesman was "you guys are gonna have a hard time selling these". Commander is an oddball with strange proportions on a too small chassis for the wide ungainly body. This area is nirvana for selling SUVs and I have yet to see a Commander on the road. Between this and Compass, I think Jeep is headed for real trouble.

Ummm, whatever gave you the idea that I want anything out of this? You need to read my posts a bit more carefully, I never said that I was gay. So, I'm not looking for any personal validation here. I have to say that couples that never had a religious ceremony most certainly consider themselves married- so that argument is null and void. Additionally, many churches are beginning to at least debate the possibility of sanctifying same sex marriages (some already do). If all rights and privileges are available to hetero and homo sexual couples in equal measure, the religious aspect of things is largely moot. You may not consider such unions not blessed by a church to be marriages, but the couples involved certainly will. My conclusion is that we are aguing about nothing at all of substance and already agree on the things that matter, so I'll leave this where it now stands.

I certainly enjoy having my rare cars.

Here in the Philadelphia area, the domestics do much better than that. We have inumerable domestic SUVs, trucks and higher-end cars. The European makes do very well here too (high-end mostly). The grand majority of Asian cars are cheapo entry level cars, with a respectable showing by Lexus and Acura. The Escalade/3 series driveway is a common site. I don't see many cheapo entry-level domestics.

Agreed. This thing ties the Aztek for ugly. It looks like it has some disease that causes extreme swelling. No, not a Jeep.

And if same sex couples were offered that same civil ceremony the fight would be over. Marriage in the eyes of the law is all that is required then all of the perks you and I are entitled to will be extended to same sex couples. Endorsement of the union is up to each religious order individually. You're splitting semantic hairs here. I certainly don't care if two men or two women wish to be married and I don't see why anyone else does. It doesn't affect anyone other than the two indviduals getting married.

OMG! I freakin love it!

Dude, you just proved my point for me. The ceremony is an option. That's what I meant about being caught up in the definition rather than the law.

The pic definitely sucks, but the more I look at it the more it looks like a big letdown. Not as bad as the G6, but not good. The fascia and grille bar are really bad.

Decent ,civil discussion everyone! I'm always glad to see the membership handle a contentious topic so well. I thought I'd add a fine point here. The most contentious aspect of the discussion seems to be centered on the word marriage and its definition. It seems to me that there is some confusion here about what the term means. Marriage is a civil contract not a religious one. You can choose to seek the blessing of your religion, but it is not required for a legal marriage. This reality leads to confusion about what a change in the law to allow same sex marriage really means. It would not mean that any religious organization would have to sanction the civil contract. Because of this, I believe that denying the right to legal marriage to same sex couples will eventually be found to be unconstitutional. If you take tradition and religion out of the equation that conclusion becomes inescapable. With these two points in mind, my position is simple- I would defend both the right of same sex couples to marry and the right of religious orders to refuse to sanctify the marriage. Freedom works for everyone or not at all.

Find a decent B-body and call it good until the Camaro shows.

Very,very cool.

Because it is the most recent information available.

Flip a coin.

This is just another sad example of an overly PC mentality and much ado about nothing. It's just an ad, it's funny, get over it already. The real tragedy would be if DCX pulled the ad because of this "pressure" to do so.Having a Libertarian mentality, that would truly offend me. Fighting for equal treatment is a noble thing, but trying to eliminate everything that might offend someone is absurd. This "activist" group needs to check their priorities.

Weak article. The premise is not backed-up in the body of the piece with the actual numbers involved as demanded by the headline. Nowhere did I see the required word "combined" used as necessitated by the headline. Nowhere in the piece did I see a listing of exactly which japanese companies comprise the totals. The references to other non-japanese asian makes is off-topic. Further, the insinuation made by the slant of the article is that this is more bad news for Detroit. Nothing could be further from the truth, a reduction in capacity at Ford and GM is generally viewed by anyone with a clue as a GOOD thing. These reductions of capacity are a major step for both Ford and GM in returning to profitability, not some harbinger of disaster. Whoever wrote this sad bit of drivel should be ashamed.

Information to be released tomorrow. http://www.drive.com.au/editorial/article....vf=2&bg=32&pp=0

Last I heard, it looks like Chevy will get Camaro, a coupe on a longer WB, and a sedan on the same WB. AFAIK, Camaro will be all alone on the shortest WB which will set it apart from any other Zeta coupes. I think it is a forgone conclusion that the sedan will be an Impala and that GM won't want to give up the familiar Monte Carlo name for the coupe. Chevelle was in the running, but I get the impression that GM is leaning toward taking the safer route by using Monte Carlo on the coupe.

I got a message sorta like that, but my crappy Nextel/Sprint phone doesn't show what number called me.

Someone actually did this to you?!! Now I've got that bloody stupid song in my head.

We are never going to agree on this so I'll let the debate part of things go and just explain my position better. To me a musclecar is a two door, v8 powered, manual transmission coupe with a useable backseat. I can respect the need for a car like the current Charger (although not at the expense of a coupe and not called Charger). However, I just plain hate the looks. And only being offered in automatic form instantly disqualifies the car for me. Additionally, I am as sick of sedans as I am of FWD. I don't mind that they exist, I'd just like to have more coupe choices rather than yet another oh-so-common sedan. I can even appreciate a good sport sedan(read M5), but the musclecar treatment has only worked well on a sedan once that I can think of and even that car should have been a coupe with a manual. On the Charger, It just looks so wrong to me and I would rather have seen that car be a more subtle sport sedan package. The 70's-style graphics and names slapped on what is admittedly a very capable car, just kinda turns me off. With all of that said, let me be the first to say from the bottom of my GM-loving heart: The Challenger is simply sex on wheels and I would be proud to own one.

Reluctantly, I have to agree with you. I would most like to see Camaro, and a Chevelle Coupe/sedan. I expect what we'll see is Camaro, Monte Carlo coupe, Impala sedan. If it were completely up to me, we'd get Camaro and a full line of Chevelles a la the Chevelle Project as well as a LWB Impala sedan (SS).

Does anyone think that any of the poll choices shouldn't be built? Also, what didn't I list that you think should be built on Zeta?