Drew Dowdell

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Cheer and Gears now in a bigger server This morning I upgraded Cheers and Gears's server. We now have twice the ram, twice the processor, twice the harddrive space, and twice the bandwidth that we did before. Sorry about the unannounced downtime, but you should notice much better performance now. -Oldsmoboi

The 3.4 DOHC was replaced by the 3.5 from Oldsmobile. In fact, since 1990, there was only one year, 1996, where you couldn't get a DOHC V6 from GM.

Behold the purchasing power of Cheers and Gears. 5 More people want this and C&G will make the purchase for you and distribute them.

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They didn't abandon it. They detuned it so it wouldn't destroy the transmissions. The 3.4DOHC we got was a detuned version of that motor.

GM had DOHC V6es in mainstream cars as far back as 1990... ya know, before Toyota and Honda offered them. Do you not think that GM's decision to move away from pushrods in the V6 stemmed from the near constant harping about the 3800 being a terrible engine <which it's not> in the press? The automotive press as a whole compares EVERYTHING to the freaking M3 as if it were the only car worthy of existence. Look at all the reviews bashing the Lucerne's "unrefined" powertrain.... my time with the Lucerne was quite satisfying. It did everything I asked it to do, silently, with authority, and returned 31mpg highway. In the driver seat there is no way you could tell if the powertrain was refined or not because you couldn't flipping hear it. I've also driven an Avalon.... there was nothing remarkable about the engine that would make me pick the Avalon over the Lucerne...... and that was even before we got to anything like looks. The power differences are a non-starter for me because it isn't great enough to matter in this kind of car. I'm not challenging Lutz to a race at Monticello, I'm getting to Columbus at a steady 75mph.

Why is it that the Corvette beating out cars twice it's price doesn't count if it doesn't have DOHC?

SMK is repeatedly posting false statements that aren't opinions despite being politely corrected in the past. He is entitled to his opinions. He is not entitled to his own facts. Purposely posting false statements repeatedly is trolling.

As a mod, I can't ignore anyone unfortunately.

Buell is dead.

No, his points aren't valid. There are no benefits to having a pushrod 4-cylinder over a OHC 4-cylinder, there are benefits to having a pushrod V8 over an OHC V8. Thus his point, which he repeats often, is invalid. GM's V6 pushrods aren't inadaquate because they are pushrods, they are inadequate because they've had relatively zero development dollars thrown at them compared to the HF series. SMK repeatedly fails to understand that a DOHC and a pushrod of equal displacement will not have equal external dimensions. SMK fails to understand that you will not be able to fit a 6.3 litre DOHC V8 into the space that a 6.3 litre pushrod just barely fits in. Yet he continues to state this as true. The CTS-V and Corvette do use a pushrod to smack around vehicles way out of their price class . This has been very publicly demonstrated. Bringing the Koenigsegg into the discussion is just trolling. The Koenigsegg is over $500k. GM could outfit a Corvette with a Pratt & Whitney and still have it cost less. If the factory 638hp of the ZR-1 isn't fast enough for you, Lingenfelter will happily sell you an upgrade to about 680hp for roughly $3k. So no.. it's not just differences of opinion. He's trolling by repeatedly posting information he knows to be false. Everyone here is entitled to their own opinion.... however you're not entitled to your own facts.

I've had my eye on the Yamaha Roadliner for a while.

Mmmmmmm Regal 2.0t + GM Performance Turbo =

Just so everyone is aware. I disabled all of the statistics on the Portal front page. IPB Support thinks that was the reason for the recent software lockups.

The board was down overnight.

For those in this thread who wish to learn something, there was already anexcellent discussion between two people who know a thing or two about engines. Do yourselves a favor and read.

Listen up SMK. I am completely, utterly serious about this. You will be banned from these threads if you continue. Understand these following statements before you post again. 1. There is no packaging advantage for pushrod inline engines. That is why DOHC is better on a 4 cylinder. 2. There has been an utter lack of development on pushrod V6 engines. The trait of having pushrods is not the cause of their "inferiority" 3. There is a massive packaging advantage that can be had with a pushrod V8. The differences in external dimensions are gigantic. 4. The Corvette, like the CTS-V, can smack around cars twice it's price and do it with a pushrod. 5. The Koenigsegg is over 5 times the price of a ZR-1. I find no trouble jumping to the conclusion that GM would have no problem coaxing 1,000 HP out of the LS series if they could charge even half that.

I like the name Catalina for it. That black one isn't bad, but it looks like it's based on the stubby '86-'87 Riv or Toronado instead of the '79-'85 Anyone else going to enter or is MDM going to win the 1966 Toronado by default? Remember, you get at least a C&G related prize just for entering.

PUSHROD ENGINES ARE NOT LIMITED TO 2 VALVES PER CYLINDER can we all agree on that at least?

more money = better

Sounds like you should list it on Ebay instead Camino. Let the price get bid up higher.

GTX, I think you need to stop trolling about the Volt until such time as any new details are released.

How much does the AMG engine cost? How much of a horsepower bump would the LS series get if they added direct injection? How much of a performance bump would the LS series get if they added VVT?

a higher redline does not mean more power. Many/Most engines' power tapers off before redline. Redline and Max power are almost never at the same RPM. I"m sure Buick does use shock absorbing motor mounts also... but nothing nearly as high tech as the active motor mounts Honda uses in some of it's V6es.