Drew Dowdell

They're made of plastic, it'll float. not a good boat anchor.

well a lot of the devaluation comes from the huge run up of debt this country has taken on while simultaneously printing more money to pay for the debt. The number of dollars in circulation has doubled since Bush took office.

I work for a company that trades in these commodities and they don't even see the reasoning for it. Edit: other than dollar devaluation.

I'd probably end up at Ford but they don't do anything that excites me. It's just where I'd land. I do however admire Honda.

I thought this was a thread about UPS declaring bankruptcy or something.....

Oh don't get your pants in a twist.... ..wait.... are you wearing any?

time frame? time frame? time frame?

This has to be sooner than 2010 to be that far along in development.... unless they're releasing it in Feb '09 as a 2010.

Don't forget the coupons for discount oil changes, free car washes and a cappuccino so the technician can slip a TSB under the hood.

*sigh*... it'll never be as good as BMW because it has pushrods, doesn't have 22.7 surround sound, 93 way power adjustable seats with power reach around.....</sarcasm>

Great looking proportions. edit: It's this far along and it's a 2010?!

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

I know. That bit about a zeta hybrid jumped out at me. Haven't we been told that zetas are getting canceled due to fuel economy concerns?

After reading this thread 1. Civic Hybrid 2. Civic 3. Fusion/Milan 4. G6 4 Cylinder Sedan 5. Mazda 5 6. Vibe 7. CPO Alero - 4 cylinder gets 34mpg highway easily, and with the $11,000 you'd save over a new car, you can buy something else. The Subarus are nice but the AWD kills the gas mileage pretty severely.

If you can have a 350hp turbo V6 Camaro in a lighter body rather than a 400hp V8 Camaro in a heavier body, wouldn't you want the lighter vehicle?

don't you ever get tired of saying the same thing over and over again?

globalization is just code for ''averaging wealth globally''.... since we are the wealthiest nation, that automatically means we lose.

This is what happens when you press the pedal on the right:

Better for whom? Upper management? Sure. Lower prices for us? Not so much. Prices have remained fairly constant, yet management's salaries has exploded upward with the offshoring movement. I used to work for a textile company. When we off shored part of our production, we didn't reduce prices much... maybe 10 cents per unit. The owners of the company just took a much larger profit. Those of us not involved with manufacturing who were still around didn't get any raises and the factory workers mostly got laid off. After the first year of Chinese outsourcing, we got $200 bonuses for Xmas. The owner of the company pulled ahead his S-class lease for a new one.

QFT.

FOG, if they can get 6 litres into the smallest Sigma they'll be able to get 4 litres plus a turbo into an Alpha. Heck, hasn't someone got a V8 into a Kappa?

I don't think it's quite big enough to do the 4x8 sheet and 3 row thing, but I agree in principle.

What are you talking about? The current crop of mini-vans is within an inch in length to the Lucerne and out weigh it by 200-800 lbs! There are Mini-vans that are heavier than my BOF Roadmaster Estate!

uhm, won't Alpha make it lighter?