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Depends...the Lucerne started production in mid-October and hit showrooms in December.

I know, I read that, too. I think those car show models are given a standard line and they aren't really in the know.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...1/LONGTERMTESTS

Gotta be the Velite

I think we need to wait and give Josh the benefit of the doubt. The story was pulled, because GM asked that it be pulled, much like they wanted Camaro spy pics pulled. GM didn't deny the Outlook story. If you want info from a major company, sometimes you need to play by their rules. THe Outlook link is gone from saturn.com, so who knows. Let's see what happens. By the way, Josh, saw my first real Solstice today in NY today. Sweet! Red with black top. The driver was 70 with a young chick and enjoying life!

what happened to it?

What do you know about RWD and Zeta? GM said recently it would decide in the next 6 months which cars to make. There's been some buzz about Buick and the Velite. Any good info you can share?

From the Wall Street Journal ORLANDO, Fla. -- General Motors Corp. (GM) announced some additions and subtractions to its Pontiac and Buick lines to dealers here a few days after its sales chief vowed a "renaissance" for the two model lines. Buick will get an "uplevel version" of the Buick LaCrosse sedan that will include new exterior trim and a new engine, Buick spokesman David Darovitz confirmed Tuesday. He said no price has been decided.

Nice pics. Can't wait to see the Enclave in NYC.

Maybe a new wing to build the Buick Velite and Chevy Camaro!!

meant to say without a problem! It's a blizzard beater!

I got a Lucerne in December, CXS and love it. Today in the snow near NYC it handled the snow with a prob.

I think the Enclave resembles some of the older Estate wagons scroll down half way http://www.buickbombsight.org/50.html

Volkswagen needs to worry about other things than interiors. Have you seen the latest JD Power Dependability surveys? VW has fallen to below average.

Where are the portholes?

Buick needs a full size coupe/convertible. Something with Velite/Enclave styling that will get a lot of buzz. Right now there is now full size coupe/convertible on the market. This would not compete with any other GM car. This car needs to be offered as a coupe and a soft-top convertible so it has a decent sized Buick trunk. It needs to stay under 40K. It needs to have a full color offering, not the mistake of the mid 80's Riviera convertible that only came in red and white.

Car Sales up 8% LaCrosse sales us 6.6% Lucerne outsold both cars it replaced, LeSabre and Park Avenue Truck Sales down 18% (not as bad as Caddy's 36% drop) Rendezvous, Rainer down, Terrazza up

I'm sure there will be other colors available. Probably a similar palette to other Buicks. Maybe a few colors unique to Enclave.

Great Lucerne Review! http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/review...6-lucerne_x.htm

Styling renaissance indeed.

The picture at Buick is much brighter than the sales numbers indicate. Buick numbers did drop last year, roughly the same plunge Pontiac took, but the brand had fewer models than in 2004. It also went nearly 2 months without a full-size model offering during the LeSabre/Lucerne switchover. Optimism is high at GM for Buick for the following reasons: 1. Retail sales are up from 2004 as fleet sales are reduced. 2. Lucerne sales are off to a good start. In the month of December, the first full month of Lucerne production, more people bought Buick Lucernes than bought all 6 models from the entire Saab Division. 3. Despite nearing the end of its run, Rendezvous sales figures were up. 4. Buick was the only GM division whose truck sales were up in 2005, with the exception of Hummer. 5. LaCrosse outsold both vehicles it replaced, Century and Regal. In some monthly head to head sales, it outsold the Chrysler 300, America's best selling luxury sedan. While LaCrosse sales continue to grow, sales of both LaCrosse's sister vehicles the Gran Prix and the Impala fell in 2005. 6. Buick garnered more quality awards in 2005. It is GM's highest ranked quality brand beating out everybody but Lexus, BMW and Porsche. 7. Buick continues to outsell competing premium brands in the U-S, such as Acura, Infiniti, Jaguar, Volvo, Mercedes, Saab, Lincoln, and was just barely eclipsed by Lexus, which has more models. 8. The average age of the Buick buyer is falling, partly due to sales of the Rendezvous and Terrazza. 9. RWD is on the way at GM. Buick is likely to get a version, that could be a Velite or other halo car. 10. The Enclave was a huge hit at NAIAS Detroit, and hits showrooms next year. People have written on this site and others that this is the first Buick that has appealed to them in a long time. 11. Buick is a huge hit in China, the world's fastest growing nation. The Chinese think it is cool to drive an American icon. As a global brand, Buick outsells Saab and is a bigger name globally. 12. The LaCrosse and Lucerne, as has been reported on this site, are due for "Super" or "Reserve" versions in the not so distant future.

A Pontiac dealer told me he has seen the car, and you CANNOT access the trunk with the top down. Yeah, maybe you can squeeze your hand in the gap to pull out something tiny, but no access. The folding roof and rear window prevent it. I stand by my original comment.

GM, especially Buick is very secretive. Look at the Enclave. No advance pics, the name wasn't even confirmed until weeks before NAIAS.

We should know in a couple of months.

As a former convertible owner, this is a BIG deal. When I lived in LA, I had the top down all the time. I kept golf clubs in the trunk on the weekends. I put bags in there after I went shopping. Even on the east coast, I had the top down much of the time and kept anything valuable in the trunk. Ask any convertible owner, they don't want to put the top back up just to get into the trunk. I am a huge supporter of GM and want this car to succeed, but if I were GM I would delay the g-6's release, and fix this.