Rivian R1T Production Trucks Rolls Off Assembly Line

[ccap41]

On 10/1/2021 at 1:57 PM, David said:

Got a busy work day, but will find one or two. I know I have seen them.

Got any of them negative reviews from a company sponsored event?

[surreal1272]

2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Got any of them negative reviews from a company sponsored event?

Why the badgering?

[ccap41]

42 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Why the badgering?

I was just asking as it's been four days. 

Personally, I wouldn't refer to one reminder as "badgering", but to each their own. 

[balthazar]

What David REALLY should do is; buy a '22 Suburban, with all the tech & safety options, then have a builder rip the powertrain out and convert it to full-on battery electric. That way he'd stay with GM, get more interior room than even he knew what to do with (specifically; legroom), and have the best of both worlds! Sure; he's looking at spending $80K on the vehicle, plus probably another $65K for the conversion, but at least he could recoup a couple of dollars on the brand new powertrain. 

Better yet- order it online and forgo the 'messy, smelly' bargaining; pay full MSRP!  A $150K electric Suburban sounds just peachy!

[oldshurst442]

^^^

Option 1:

@David  

He could wait until 2024 and forego all that drama that was presented above

80 grand

 

Option 2:

Or...he could convert his current Escalade into an EV one

https://www.thedrive.com/news/37354/the-chevrolet-performance-ecrate-is-here-to-make-electric-drivetrain-swaps-easier-than-ever

 

 

His Escalade is one clean ride.  He takes really could care of it and I think it would be an amazing project if he could and would want to,  convert it. 

Less than what was mentioned by buying a new Tahoe...or a new GMC Hummer.  

 

[balthazar]

There's probably $50K into the restoration/modification of that C10 before the electrics/batteries and whatever the cost of the base truck.

But sure- if one does all the work themselves, you could save some of the cost vs. having a reputable shop build it. 

[oldshurst442]

^^^

Yup.

But he already owns the Escalade.  I tried looking for a price tag on these but couldnt find any. GM Authority website states that pricing hasnt been released. 

The GM E crate motor is said to have 200HP with a 60 KW/H lithion ion battery.  That '60s C10 has 2  e crate motors producing 450HP with 120 KW/H  batteries.    

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/10/chevrolet-performance-launches-electric-connect-and-cruise-package/

LOL

 

50 thousand for restoration is moot as ANY car that needs to be restored regardless what engine will eventually power it that will be bought...     Frame off restoration is almost a must.  Especially if upgrades to the powertrain and everything else will be made. 

If the vehicle has a good runnin' motor...well it has a good runnin' motor, but when we are talking about crate engines then the price of restoring only goes up from there.   Junk yard crashed cars could be purchased for their engines, but one really should know about engines to determine if the engine of a totaled vehicle is running good.  And if that is the case, then chances are, most of the restoration and fabrication and all that will be made by the DIYer rather than a shop.   

An LS7 crate is 12 000.

The LT1 is 8 500.

The LT4 15 000.  Dry Sump is 16 000 and change.

JUST the engines.  

The Electric Connect and Cruise E Crate motors will probably be pricier than 15 000.  More like 30 000 Im guessing.   Like how the now discontinued LT5 cost.   That C10 has 2 of them.  Plus the 120 KW/H battery packs. Pricier even.

THEN, we are talking about high voltage systems here.  I dont think there are many DIYer hot rodders out there that could do THIS kind of thing on there own.    

So...specialized EV powertrain tech folk probably need to do this.

yeah...

Im retracting my thoughts of a job like this being cheaper...

@David  is best to wait for the 2024 GMC Hummer SUV...

 

 

 

 

 

[balthazar]

1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

50 thousand for restoration is moot as ANY car that needs to be restored regardless what engine will eventually power it that will be bought...     Frame off restoration is almost a must.

That's... not remotely true.

[David]

@oldshurst442 @balthazar

I still have my 1994 GMC SLE Suburban that I want to put an E-Crate AWD system into. The Escalade would also be another good one. Wife likes both Hummer by GMC and Rivian. I owe her a truck, so she is looking at both trucks. Who knows what she will end up with. For me, I know one of my full size SUVs will get converted and I will end up driving it. I like the idea of having a proper full size FRUNK that both the GMC and Caddy can offer me in a conversion.

[ccap41]

A Rivian will be WAY TOO SMALL for you, based on what vehicles you've said you're cramped in. 

[Robert Hall]

21 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

A Rivian will be WAY TOO SMALL for you, based on what vehicles you've said you're cramped in. 

He'll have to wait for the Rivian MAX with an extra two feet of headroom and two feet of legroom..

[ccap41]

1 minute ago, Robert Hall said:

He'll have to wait for the Rivian MAX with an extra two feet of headroom and two feet of legroom..

He needs a G Wagen roofline, Hummer hip/shoulder room, and Escalade leg room. 

[balthazar]

On 9/23/2021 at 11:46 AM, balthazar said:

'21 R1T front / rear legroom : 42.7 / 35.2 (  )
'21 Sierra crew cab : 44.5 / 43.4
'94 Suburban : 41.8 / 36.6

Rivian is pretty close to his Suburban, but I'll bet the Rivian feels way tighter.
Escalade is 44.5 / 41.7 - the winner is still the crew cab pick-up.

Edited October 6, 2021 by balthazar

[ccap41]

Per David's keyboard (paraphrasing): you can't take those numbers serious.

His biggest issue is always the person behind the driver's seat and according to online measurements, my Lincoln MKC has  36.8 inches.

I'm curious if there's a standard front seat location for these measurements. I've put a 70" TV in the hatch space of my MKC and I had to drive very unsafely because the seat would more THAT far forward. the drive was only about a mile/mile and a half so I just did it anyway but I literally could not get out without having my wife slide the TV out some so I could move the seat back. she should have driven as she's much shorter than me but I was already crammed up there and said "fck it, let's just go". Oh yeah, I'm 5'8" and she's 5'2". 

Wow, what a random tangent to go on...

[balthazar]

That's why I always use both numbers together (and actually add them). I agree that OEMs could position the front in different spots, but unless they're moving the seats between measuring front & rear... the total number should be reliable.

[David]

18 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Per David's keyboard (paraphrasing): you can't take those numbers serious.

His biggest issue is always the person behind the driver's seat and according to online measurements, my Lincoln MKC has  36.8 inches.

I'm curious if there's a standard front seat location for these measurements. I've put a 70" TV in the hatch space of my MKC and I had to drive very unsafely because the seat would more THAT far forward. the drive was only about a mile/mile and a half so I just did it anyway but I literally could not get out without having my wife slide the TV out some so I could move the seat back. she should have driven as she's much shorter than me but I was already crammed up there and said "fck it, let's just go". Oh yeah, I'm 5'8" and she's 5'2". 

Wow, what a random tangent to go on...

I would totally agree that it would be interesting to know what standard seat position is used to measure the front and back leg room.

[balthazar]

Bloomberg is reporting that Rivian is going to prioritize production of vans for Amazon over pickups, so combining 1. startup, 2. chip shortages, and 3. this news, don't expect much in the way of Rivian inventory/availability for a few years. 

[David]

7 hours ago, balthazar said:

Bloomberg is reporting that Rivian is going to prioritize production of vans for Amazon over pickups, so combining 1. startup, 2. chip shortages, and 3. this news, don't expect much in the way of Rivian inventory/availability for a few years. 

Thanks for letting us know, found the following interesting reads on Rivian IPO and Production.

Rivian Automotive Files for IPO, Electric Truck Startup Backed by Amazon (AMZN) - Bloomberg

Rivian’s Electric Truck Gets All the Attention, But Its Fate Is Tied to Amazon - BNN Bloomberg

How Amazon Pushed Rivian’s Van into the Fast Lane - Bloomberg

Amazon Shapes Rivian's Future and $80 Billion Valuation - Bloomberg

Rivian could do for electric pickups and SUVs what Tesla has done for sedans. - Bloomberg

Interesting the multiple stories as it would seem Bloomberg is very much interested in Rivian.

[David]

On 10/6/2021 at 9:16 AM, balthazar said:

Rivian is pretty close to his Suburban, but I'll bet the Rivian feels way tighter.
Escalade is 44.5 / 41.7 - the winner is still the crew cab pick-up.

Re-read this, why would you think a Rivian would feel way tighter?

EVs from Ford and Rivian reviews are saying they are roomy inside compared to ICE equals.

Rivian Stories

The Inside Story by Rivian - Rivian Stories

Seems to be roomy to me.

[David]

Found this that someone made, very cool comparison to all the ICE trucks.

Rivian R1T Size Comparison with F-150 & Tundra | Rivian Forum – Rivian R1T & R1S News, Pricing & Order... (rivianownersforum.com)

Cool to see these comparisons on Luxury SUVs. Here is the R1S to the Range Rover Sport, but this side comparison of size is good. Rivian wins for sure. Will take the Rivian square back of the other for sure.

[David]

From the same forum I posted earlier, will for sure take the Rivian over the Toyota ugliness.

I like the specification details here:

Comparison between: 2021 Rivian R1T Launch Edition, 2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range RWD (evspecifications.com)

Yes not really a good comparison since Tesla has NOTHING to compete with, but understandable as to why they compared it in Specifications.

[ccap41]

I like the R1T but the Taco is a great looking truck, imo. Based solely on looks, I'd prefer the Taco. 

[balthazar]

12 hours ago, David said:

Re-read this, why would you think a Rivian would feel way tighter?

EVs from Ford and Rivian reviews are saying they are roomy inside compared to ICE equals.

Those aren’t reviews you posted; they’re Rivian press releases.

I say tighter  because that’s the trend over the comparitive 27-yr old Suburban you’re used to. More storage space (console), thicker doors (crash protection), more substantial arm rests, etc.

[balthazar]

Rivian R1T has an overall width of 81.8 with mirrors folded. Not sure if a fraction of the folded mirror is still adding to that width or not. My B-59's overall width is 80.8 (body- no mirrors included- but they don't protrude from that width anyway).

R1T front hip room is 54.9" (and that totally ignores the center console), and the B-59's front hip room is 66.1.
Your Suburban's hip room is 60.5". Going down 5.5" right there.

Of course, only a 'test fit' will determine compatability.

 

[Robert Hall]

2 hours ago, balthazar said:

Rivian R1T has an overall width of 81.8 with mirrors folded. Not sure if a fraction of the folded mirror is still adding to that width or not. My B-59's overall width is 80.8 (body- no mirrors included- but they don't protrude from that width anyway).

R1T front hip room is 54.9" (and that totally ignores the center console), and the B-59's front hip room is 66.1.
Your Suburban's hip room is 60.5". Going down 5.5" right there.
 
 

That sounds more midsize in hip room...my WK2 Grand Cherokee is 57" for front hip room (with a console).