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And @daves87rs @USA-1 we are having a nice discussion. I like it. Having a lower priced corvette for the masses with a possible ttv6 will probably alter the Vettes image in a negative way Vettes are just out of the reach of regular folk. THAT is one aspect that appeals to people. Keeps folk wanting to work hard to get one. Its like a carrot on a stick dangling in front of a rabbit. And because so many are bought new year after year after year, the used market is full of cheap Corvettes. That is how most Corvettes become people’s dream machines anyway since now on the used market, a Vette was picked up on the cheap, and money is left over to be personalized and tuned and hot rodded. THAT would be another aspect that appeals to Corvette loyalists. A Cadillac supercar will NEVER be able to compete with that. Used Corvettes of a decade ago, or 5 years ago are bought in the used market on the cheap, modified to the nth degree and money spent on them can range between very few dollars spent to astronomical amounts and the performance of these machines are not even touched by the new supercars of the day. Again. Cadillac has to deal with 67 years of Corvette history consisting of great sales over the years, legends, myths, race victories, restoration of classics and hot rodding madness. The Corvette IS the top. Best of the best

Make a Firebird inspired EV Pony car for the Buick label. Can cover China and import it here for those that want a green, fast pony car, EV style.

Considering they are quickly running out of cars, this would be a good idea. Could even get it a slight throwback look. Catch is this would need to go to China first-where they love their Buicks! This way there would be enough production to justify keeping them going here in the US....

Fleetwood Mac

I understand..and it does make sense. And I can even agree... But- the “car” person market is dying fast. Pretty soon the best “EV” will replace and plain old gas powered car- as your new money folks care more about image and less about what powers it, as long as it impresses their friends. My worry is getting cars back into the hands that still love them-before they give up on the oil and gasoline smell too....

The sketch I've seen looks something like this, which is easier on the eyes than the current Camaro (and I'm not necessarily saying the current Camaro is bad) I guess that, if it were to be branded as a Buick, the Pontiac crest would give way to a round Buick medallion placed right above the ridge, and flat, from where it is currently shown. I've liked every generation of Firebird a little more than every generation of Camaro.

Good reason enough to build as many as they can. At this stage-being a super car is simply not enough. In order to keep the Vette alive, and try to bring some car folk into the fold- they need to appeal to more people in general. Due to the the fact that cars like this are not really attainable , and the fact less car about cars in general-people need something they can drive that will put a smile on their faces ...

I think that is the Infiniti that shares a platform w/ the Mercedes GLA.

Spotted June 3rd - Here's a new(er) and small(er) Infiniti SUV sporting 2 liters of turbocharged power. What's with this salmon color? It reminds me of Nissan 280 ZXs and the GM intermediates and full sizes of the early '80s. They say trends come full circle. This was in the parking lot at Publix in Dania, FL I don't like all the sheetmetal curves on this vehicle. That funky orange structure (across Dania Beach Blvd.) is the Dania Casino. It used to be a jai alai place years ago. You might still see blue hairs. What you won't see are paper cups full of nickels.

RIP Bonnie

False. Cadillac thrived with that very image during the depression. So did Mercedes. You have a habit of discussing and comparing the most of extremes together. 3 richest Americans and all the oil barons dont give a shyte what happens to the world because in anyway, their products and services are the ones that keep the world going round anyway...WW3 or Covid 19. Its like you compre a 2 million dollar AMG-One and say its waaaaay lighter than a BASE 60 000 Corvette Stingray... Of course it SHOULD be lighter. I said above, the Corvette is engineered to a lower price point. Sacrifices have to be made somewhere. The AMG-One is a no expense spared engineered vehicle. Than you blame GM beancounting for this... Like WTF???!!! You cant expect GM to have a no expense spared Corvette to be sold for only 60 000 dollars... That would mean that the Corvette would have to be sold at 2 point something million dollars and limited to a 1 year limited run of 275 units. THAT is not the Corvette's business case. Nor is its image and target market. And the AMG-One is NOT expected to be cheapened for price point sake sold to the masses. The thing is, the Zora's mission IS to be an AMG-One PERFORMANCE competitor... AND THAT it will be... With the economy argument. Billions of dollars have been lost to Covid so far. Those billions lost have NOT BEEN pocketed by ANYBODY. Bezos and the other 2 richest Americans aside. And those oil baron sheiks, because oil has still been produced and made into gasoline and other products like plastics so they still make money, those billionaire sports clubs owners and other businesses have simply halted... NO MONEY BEING MADE. Let me put it this way. I own a restaurant. I cut my hours down considerably. But I also cut down on my staff considerably. Because I could stay open, I got a drive through, I was able to make money. The same amount actually. I had to work a tad harder, but my profits havent suffered. My sales went down a tad, but I matched that with cutting my expenses equally so that is how I have been able to keep my profits up. And... Im like Bezos in this regard. I got to continue to make money. But some of my workers, I had to lay off. McDonald's close to me also has stayed open. They too, hardly lost a beat. Likje Bezos.... OK...Amazon sales went up. But local brick and mortar stores hit a rougher patch, as now peoples thirst to consume is 100% done online.... But...rich hard working owners of other businesses in my neighborhood had to close down for 2 whole months with NO revenue coming in. McDonald's and myself are in the minority. The reality is that MOST businesses are NOT like me. Stop arguing with extreme situations...start discussing things more in line...

I think they could still do both. Still think the Camaro should have a lower into price too....it’s how you get the bug started... ? And offer ways for them to custom up that ride. I think they could still bring a base C8 for maybe 40k. Also brings those same or similar folks in to the Chevy family. The nice part about the old pony cars is that they had a wide range in price.......

Jeff Bezos aside...because he owns a company that actually thrives in these times. But, If I just go with all the MLB, NHL, NBA and NFL owners, millionnaires and billionnaires, and airline industries, automotive companies, restaurants of all kinds other than the huge franchises .and all other similar situations in business where regular folk simply stopped consuming, these guys say they are suffering, even if they are lying so they dont pay their players (sports teams owners.).. if 95% of the population suffers and the 95% of the population dont consume the products and services these millionnaires and billionnaires offer and peddle, where does their money come from? If the 95% of the population suffers and dont consume, spend and invest in the stock market...trust me, these billionaires fast become millionaires if not poorer. The millionaires fast are worth just hundreds of thousands of dollars if not poorer. Folk that have hundreds of thousands of dollars risk of not having anything. Trust me, AMG cars and Ferraris and Rolls Royces are the ones to go bankrupt FASTER than Chevrolets Fords and Hondas... Leading up to the war, and in the Great Depression, the luxury marques such as Duesenberg and Cords disappeared rather than Chevy, Ford and Dodge.

Found your issue..

Corvette needs a V6 if they want to sell global. The V8 doesn't pass European emissions, and it might pass in China, but it would bet clobbered with displacement taxes. So there is one argument for a V6. What Corvette is really has no relevance to anything Cadillac does. Whether Cadillac wants to build a sports car, a Lamborghini Urus style SUV, a big sedan, a luxury off roader or anything else. Cadillac should do what is best for Cadillac, not what is best for Chevrolet or Corvette or GMC or anything else. I think a big problem of GM in general is one brand compromises another. Can't make a Buick too nice or it will step on the toes of a Cadillac, can't make a sports car faster than the Corvette, can't make anything more expensive than an Escalade, can't put too much power in a Camaro or it will steal Corvette sales. None of that crap should matter, if Ford has a 750 hp Mustang, Dodge has an 800 hp Challenger, and Chevy has a 500 hp Camaro because it can't have more power than the Corvette, then Camaro gets screwed and loses to its competitors. And I know there is a 600-whatever horsepower Camaro but I am just using that as an example. Same with Escalade, it was once one of the most expensive SUVs on market, now there are 10 or so that are higher priced than it. Now if GM decides cars with base prices over $100k is just not a money maker for them that is fine, don't go there. But you still have to make your other products best in segment, and not position them as to no step on the toes of over brands. This brands should be competing with each other to get better. I bet Ford Mustang Mach -E outsells the Mustang once production is ramped up in calendar year 2022 for example, despite Mach-E costing more. Truth of the matter is, they could sell the Corvette for $25,000 and the Toyota RAV4 would outsell it 10 to 1. People want SUVs, the sports car market is small and shrinking.