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I don't think it's a failure, just not pretty. There are some very slippery vehicles out there that don't have the penalty of this styling, Teslas and Lucid Air come to mind.

Somehow, I think the CC looks pretty great. These...do not. I completely agree. No matter how quick, technologically advanced, or insane range these have, I just cannot get on board the styling.

No amount of tech goodies and supposed range and performance will cover up that hideous jellybean undercover VW CC look (and I literally just saw an EQS at the MB dealership in Greensboro two days ago). Rabid fanboys aside, no one in their right mind would say that Benz put out their best design for this.

One year VANNIVERSARY! The odometer is less than 9,000 miles. Boy we'll be way under on our lease....less driving in the covid era. Actually the spouse is full home remote work now. So our vehicles may turn out to be keepers over the long haul this time. In one of the above posts I mentioned that the sales paper for the lease was wrote at 15 thousand under sticker, and when there was a decent supply. If we had seriously had been two months later we would have gotten screwed. Some of the options we have on our limited look like supply issues in the 22 models (kind of like GM, some features with limited availability). We have the tan seats and at least when I last checked, the Limited for 22 was black seats only. I am sure that stuff changes frequently these days. I love this vehicle. The v6 is so relaxed and quiet compared to the turbo four in our TourX. And even with the MPG drop for AWD vs the previous FWD Pacifica we had, the MPG is still very good. With gas prices on the rise, if we take trips we won't get crushed on the gas money. Getting in and out, easy ingress and egress, for an aging human becomes more and more loved all the time. The TourX is super low to get into, and I still love it. But the seat comfort on the Pacifica, higher driving height, more relaxed position, the cabin width and such is appealing for those weekly errands and longer trips. Heated seats in the first two rows and vented seats in the front, are great. This is my first vehicle with vented seats and like the power folding side mirrors, are features I never felt I needed before and now I won't want another vehicle without. First world issues. LOL We've used the van to haul mulch and bricks and furniture, and we've used the Sto N Go very often so far again this time. It's unfortunate that Sto N Go does compromise that second row seating for adults....the seats could be wider, more comfortable, and have a lower footwell to stretch the feet would be nice. But its a perfect example of a worthwhile compromise in my book. The harmon kardon stereo in this van is not bad. Wayyyyyy better than the Bose 'top of the line' garbage in the TourX. The TourX stereo is simply embarrassing. The one in this van is pretty good. In general the U connect system is quite good also. Chrysler IMO has the touchscreen down better than many of the manufacturers these days. Reliability, no issues to date except some testiness on the power rear hatch and one of the side doors occasionally. We had I think one or two recalls on something insignificant...in fact one of those may have been on the rear hatch actually. Must me why its worked just fine for awhile now. Our 2018 Pacfica didn't have any issues really except towards the end of the lease it was getting hard to get gas into it. According to Pacifica forums, that might be an issue that occurs a bit. So far on this 21, no issues pumping gas at all. The all wheel drive has been nice. And it is an enhancement in winter over the standard FWD but whether its nice to have vs a need is up to the opinion of each buyer. What I will say is the van doesn't drive too much differently in the AWD vs the FWD with the extra weight and such. If you drove them back to back, some folks may notice a difference in feel and some won't. It really just means they did a good job making the AWD version feel consistent with the FWD version. We did not get snow tires for it this year; with the low winter miles we may not at least for the least term depending on the wear of the factory rubber over time. With all the fuss about the crossover market, I tend to think this vehicle that looks like a van is one of the best 3 row crossovers on the market today. Quiet, spacious, comfortable, smooth and relaxed v6 engine.....compared with some of the crazy prices on the market today this is a good vehicle to compare to a lot of crossovers...you may find more for your money.

The Yale study is fine. It does NOT answer one question: When will EVs be cheap enough to displace used ICE vehicles? If you want transportation to emit less pollution and fewer emissions, then ICE vehicles need to be replaced. How fast that will be done, given the current EV market share is 2% in the USA and even less worldwide, is the only real question that matters. Whoever can sell at least one million EVs a year will make this somewhat plausible.

For those lamenting that Chevy 'is becoming a truck brand' :

Totally agree, that there is good if not great tech here, but the overall package is a FAILURE IMHO due to the styling inside and especially out. Honestly, based on the platform of the motors, electronics and battery pack, I think the Style was a last minute task, make it cut through the air very efficient as we cannot compete against Tesla with what we have right now, close if it will slip through the air. AKA Jellybean EQS, EQE, EQE-AMG, etc. etc. etc. etc. FAILURE to me.

Dear SM...I mean Balth: Compare package apples to package apples. Those base model ICE versions do not come with near as much standard equipment as their EV counterparts. This has been addressed before so that is all I am going to say on that. My original point stand. They are ALL overpriced. But they are not and one has a hatch and one doesn't. It's not even the same platform, never mind the package differences that I just covered.

Then it's in great company with literally every other make out there. Every new car and truck is overpriced. Kia could surprise folks and do that but I wouldn't count on it.