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Not going to get into the he said, he said debate. The only thing is that I agree with @surreal1272 that be it respectable sites that cover true hardcore offroad 4x4 or silly sites that cover AWD CUVs with 4x4s and still also list that the G-Wagon is not the best. There is a consistent thread here that pretty much all the sites no matter being hardcore, general or silly list siting mixes of autos do not see the G-Wagon as a benchmark for 4x4s. Clearly when you see the number of Jeeps, Fords, GMs, Toyota and Hyundai to name a few all the time off-roading and yet finding a G-Wagon slumming with the wranglers, broncos, trailblazers, etc. that speaks volumes.

Will get some notes in later today. a couple pics or it didn’t happen

Yet Mercedes also competes in the same segement as the cars and CUVs that Cadillac, Lincoln, Genesis, Acura, Infiniti, Lexus, etc. play in. Auto reviewers consistently praise everyone more than Mercedes. Seems the Luster has worn off the Best or Nothing. In regard to GENESIS as this thread was all about, Mercedes has NOTHING in Concepts to compete with this X Concept Trilogy. END OF LINE!

@NINETY EIGHT REGENCY I will keep my eyes open for you. Yes, as the years progress it does get harder and harder to find what one is looking for. In regard to your 98 daily driver, I love green, and I could see it in that color. Wishing you the best in determining the color and fixes you choose to do.

I'm not going to try and say the G Wagen is the best off-roader, because Broncos, Wranglers, Raptors, and TRXs exist. But there's no doubting a vehicle with solid axles(Prior to the current gen, now just a solid rear axle), transfer case, and three locking diffs isn't one of the best off roaders. All it REALLY needs from the factory is some off-road tires with some sidewall. What a joke of a list. They site the Palisade as #1 and Seltos as #2 and a Travers as #5. Wrangler is #7 on a best off roaders list behind mostly AWD CUVs.

Thank you for looking David. It is appreciated. I saw that white 1990 before too. Right car, wrong year. I have enough to buy that one too. It has been sitting up there for a few months. It was owned by a former GM executive. I will share what I am looking for and why I am looking.. My 1992 black Toronado was in an accident in May 2021. I bought the body parts to repair it and the body shop started working on it, but they never finished. It has the body panels on the car, but they were supposed to paint it and they never finished. I admit it was difficult to restore( the damage). I knew I had to let it go. It is still at the body shop unfinished sitting on the lot. I have been looking. all year. I am looking for a 1991 or 1992 Toronado with option package ISB and AM6. I will work with a bucket seat model. I bought a spare digital cluster and have it read to swap if I end up with a bucket seat model. I have done the cluster swap before. The colors are open game, but I do not want white or red. I will take: gun metal gray, platinum metallic, dark garnet red( maroon/ the purple looking reddish color), dark sapphire blue, medium sapphire blue, dark green gray, black, light driftwood. I have had red , canyon yellow( rare) and black( most recent one). The reason why I do not want a 1990 is the steering wheel controls did not appear until 1991, and 1990 has some unique to 1990 features or parts that would be hard to locate or find. Ask me how do I know. The 1990 has a different anti lock braking system compared to 1991 and 1992. I have worked extensively on 1991 and 1992 models and know them. I have looked on all the sites online. The only one I cannot access is Facebook marketplace because I do not have a Facebook account. So the quest continues daily. It is out there somewhere. I am driving my 1996 Ninety-Eight daily. Right now it looks like a vehicle on the GM proving grounds like you see in spy photos or used to in the magazines back in the day. LOL! It needs paint correction, the headliner done and a small tear in the driver's seat. I am prepared for that. I am, torn though. I want to either paint it the dark green gray color it is or paint it black and it look like this one:

Instant contradiction. So your reasoning for this worldwide sales "dominance" is because of three vehicles that are extremely "low volume" and sell less in one year than their VOLUME C-Class sells in one month? Sorry, but that's not how it works at all and you know that. Man, your fanboy logic knows no bounds but the contradiction is right there for all to see. BTW, all three examples are BEYOND simple fanboy opinion. Two of the three (and possibly all three) are definitely NOT the best. The G Wagen doesn't even crack the top 3 here. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/best-cars/top-10-best-4x4s-off-road-cars or here... https://www.truecar.com/best-cars-trucks/suvs/off-road/ or here... https://www.hotcars.com/best-and-most-overrated-off-roaders/ Again, your fanboy opinion is just that...opinion and not even one supported by reasonable data.

What the fanboy doesn’t understand is that he, once again, is trying to upsell Benz by touting their worldwide sales while ignoring why. It’s because they have to sell in volume whereas Cadillac does not (it has been explained a thousand times why this is so I’m not going to dredge it up here again). That doesn’t mean they are superior much less the “best or nothing”. Keep wanting to charge folks monthly to unlock features they should only have to pay for once, and they won’t even have the volume to lean back on.

Yesterday, a '91 or '92 Buick Riviera coupe was coming the other way. With my window down, the exhaust growl was acceptable, but not as quiet as it could have been. It was triple black - black exterior, padded black landau, and a black leather interior. This car has always been a little tricky with the vantage points. It looks better in angled views. From the front, the grille looks too short in the vertical sense. From the back, it's another story. As I pulled away and looked in the rearview mirror, the padded landau overpowered and the taillamps looked small and not that interesting. From an angled view, and without the landau, the rear taillamps combined with the formal back lite look great. No landau roof for this gen of Riviera. In short, the Olds Toronado fraternal twin of the same years looks better from all vantage points.

It will be interesting to see what else you will find with this new up-line model. It's definitely true to the Buick vocabulary but also trying some new things (the diamond pane seating pattern). Also, many car's tan offerings for interiors aren't even tan, but off-white. This is both in domestic cars and in foreign ones, such as VW products. That big touch screen to the right of the IP is a little overpowering. I have seen it in showrooms. A grainy engine at this price point is a no go. And, I agree with you, if these pick up any steam, some should be built in North America. And, I'm including Oshawa ON, since it has historically been a very good plant.

This speaks volumes about who the top auto companies are. China car sales analysis 2019 - brands - carsalesbase.com Yea, sucks that Mercedes / Daimler cannot compete with Volkswagen/Audi/Porsche. Clearly, they still do not know how to truly compete.

Im always on the business side of things. But... This is exactly how I feel. But this is how I also feel as well. And I applaud this. But we wouldnt need laws preventing that kind of shyte if only people wouldnt be so sheepish in giving into corporations. Yet some people will NEVER listen to what a government tells them. But die on a hill following conmen, evil doers and greedy corporate entities whose CEOs are all three: conmen, evildoers and greedy mthereffers.

Genesis operates only in high volume segments with the exception of the G90 which really exists for South Korean government officials and business people that don’t want to use a European car. But despite operating in volume segments, Genesis has low volume. I don’t see how they make a business case for building a coupe or convertible that are by nature low volume.

But as I pointed out they make segment leaders. Cadillac and Genesis don’t make a sports car, don’t make a convertible and don’t make an off roader. Cadillac and Genesis aren’t low global volume because they are only building high end cars like Porsche, they are building small to midsize sedans and crossovers. Both those brands would like more volume, but they don’t have the distribution network or brand image to really make that happen.

Maybe you also missed where I agreed with you and said it wasn't the best. I was just saying the list/source was shet. You're better than siting a source of off-roaders where #1 & #2 are AWD CUVs.

Still working on the review, but real quick summary was that despite being too expensive, and being unnecessarily built in china, the Envision is quite delightful, actually. Far better represents the concept of Buick than the Encore GX. Where the Encore GX feels like a basic brand vehicle, the Envision Avenir I feel represents Buick well (excepting the high price). If it had a lower price then it can be more competitive with say a loaded CX-3, RAV4 and CRv. Nice interior, liked the dash more than I thought. Was ok with the finger tranny buttons. Smooth ride. Proper engine!!!! Not a hot rod but wasn't working hard. It is too loud and grainy, so its a bit unpleasant sounding; they need to fix that. But smoothness of the engine is pretty good. Would be a nice road vehicle. Far nicer than the Equinox. Feels like a real car where the Encore GX didn't feel that way. It would be helpful if Buick advertised it and got more people to know about this car. Then, lower the price a bit, 3-5 grand. Then, build them here in the US in greater volumes. You can keep Buick going and win back market share with this vehicle. But not by overpricing it and building it in China. This is a partial example of why GM seems to want to be swirling the toilet at times.

Market shares of main line brands, and makes sense that Mercedes-Benz has less market share than Daimler-Chrysler did since they sold off the volume side of that business. Yet compare Mercedes global market share to Cadillac, Lincoln, Genesis, Infiniti, Acura, Lexus and it's a joke, they probably outsell all them combined. And probably because Mercedes does the best luxury car, best off roader, and hypercar, they hit all the pillars. Most of the luxury brands are crossover only or headed that way and some like Lincoln and Infiniti have basically no identity.

The G63 4x4 Squared (that i posted a picture of) is the most capable off roader. It’s the only production vehicle with portal axles. From the factory, it’s the best off roader, also the most luxurious. And sure you can get a Bronco Raptor then buy a lift kit and portal axel conversion kit and snorkel and a crap ton of aftermarket parts and build it up for less than half what a G63 4x4 costs, but I was talking factory vehicle.