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9 times out of 10, whenever someone has to say the above, it is because it is (in fact) ugly. No amount of "seeing it in person" changes the bad angles on the back of the EV4. There is no design cohesion back there when you look at the rest of the car. It is just a mess and I will stand by that, whether seen here or in person.

We live in different worlds, brother. It does not take more than 5 minutes at a pump to fill my Navigator. If I decide to walk inside and grab something to eat or drink, sure the time goes up. Just filling a tank though, 5 minutes.

Well, it doesn't video very well, either. Wow, all the people on Kia's YouTube accounts want it?! YA DONT SAY?!

I get that some are worse than others but a general 30% is pretty standard for the industry, as a whole. Yes, I'd need independent research for something I'd actually be buying, but most of those numbers aren't all that great. Yes, I also realize that ICE vehicles lose about the same efficiency in the winter months as well. But, we also all know it only takes 5-10 minutes to replenish an ICE tank in the winter.

So happy for this woman in fighting Musk to prove her innocence. I hope she survives to the court hearing and wins. Tesla whistleblower wins legal battle against Elon Musk Very cool Tech these 3 teens came up with. 3 teens invented a salt-powered refrigerator that doesn't need electricity. They're building 200 of them for hospitals to use.

Interesting to see the sales figures for California. Tesla’s California Freefall Could Signal A Bigger EV Crisis

No car, especially its rear end, should give off "Aztek" vibes. That is just an eye sore on an otherwise well packaged EV.

It doesn't look good, and I think it looks too funky for mass market adoption, which is the problem these car companies have with EVs. They make the EV the most radical looking car in the line up, when if you ant volume it should be the most vanilla looking. Price will determine whether it sells or not.

Had a relaxing weekend at the lake, albeit still a bit cold... highs only in the low 40s. But sunny in the afternoons, great sunsets. Saturday night about 8pm...last pic is the 'pink' moon at about 9pm Sat. Crazy spring weather..70 and sunny at home yesterday afternoon, 43 and rain today. Got to wash the Caddy, it got a lot of mud on it on one backroad near the lake where they were logging.

I watch his videos also..fun stuff.

Musk needs to be homeless and broke. Without getting political, cutting air traffic control will not end well. Close call here, really distressing to see this as someone who flies on Jets...

Interesting, according to the website your Navigator has a 23 gallon tank compared to the 32 gallon tank my escalade has. Looked up the certified fuel pump filling speed, 23 gallons take 7 min. The gas industry has stated that the average 20 to 24 gallon fuel fill up take on average 8 minutes due to temperature, pump speed, how clean the fuel filter is in the pump equipment, etc. of course they also say the larger the tank the longer the fueling. So depending on how much gas you have in your tank it could be much shorter. So if you have a quarter tank of gas and are filling up, I can see this taking 5 min.