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You should make a high-dollar bet with someone on this, though I'd feel kinda bad for the other guy...(not pure speculation)

I didn't look at the options, just saw RWD Magnum for under 15k. It has what he listed: RWD, sporty yet elegant looking, 5 doors.

annoying

I found several pre-owned Dodge Magnums on cars.com for less than 15k. That would sound like a solid choice for you guys...

WORD. BIG BIG WORD.

Warped Tour is fun, except there are a lot of really ugly smelly people there... Fourth of July is always fun...Carmelfest is amazing Really, though, the best thing is spending lazy summer days and nights with friends throwing dinner parties for ourselves and enjoying cocktails in the backyard. I can't wait to do that this summer...

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crasian (crazy asian)

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Greaaaaat Prize... :AH-HA_wink:

Ouch, the last thing we need is another W-body with a V8...

I like the idea of environmentally-friendly plastics...go Mitsu!

Saturn is going to be way upscale from Chevy. Saturn will really be competing with VW in the US market, in the "premium mainstream" segment.

How soon are you getting a vehicle? The new Saturn VUE (if it keeps that name) will be out in 18 months or so and it will be infinitely better than the existing Thetas.

You really need to get a life. And grow up.

holes at the beach

The Torrent is a fine vehicle if you want nothing more than practical, basic transportation with some exterior styling flair. The exterior is very stylish, much more so than the Equinox. The real let-down is the Rubbermaid interior and very cheap switchgear. If that isn't an issue for you, then go for it. If you place a high importance on interior quality, then you should shop around some more. Either way, good luck with your decision!

I do not know if it is still available, but I have used the NHTSA website in the past to access such information.

Of course it has nothing to do with the topic at hand; it's just ocnblu making a childish remark about the M-Class I drive that in his mind invalidates the comments I made about the Torrent. Yea, I dunno either...especially since I have been pretty forthright about the quality problems I've experienced with the M-Class.

Bingo.

Saturn is getting the Outlook; production is merely starting 2 months later than originally thought. Old news.

Every review I have read has mentioned the crude, "basic" and "utilitarian" nature of the Equinox. Having driven the Equinox, I can attest that it is indeed crude and lacking refinement in many areas; that said, it is very good at what it is: a cheap, practical, stylish (exterior only) SUV. Well, the Torrent is an Equinox with very little differentiation, so its mention is quite appropriate. Since the two are priced in the same bracket, the flaws of one will be flaws in the other. Also, the Equinox has been selling well for a few years, so I don't think the survival of the platform is in jeopardy. Whenever I have driven a vehicle that produced an unusually large number of rattles and creaks, I know I've gone online and viewed the TSBs to satisfy my curiosity. Don't tell me that you never thought the same thing when GM recalled all those cars in 2000 for seat belt locking mechanisms that were too hard to unlatch. I'd like everyone reading this thread to raise his or her hand if he or she truly believes the Pontiac Torrent is a high-quality, well-made vehicle. Oh, and FOG, don't bother raising yours because you were one of the first to bash the Torrent when you found out it was an Equinox rebadge.

Lutz said "performance car." Therefore the LaCrosse is out of the question. Hello...FWD isn't "performance" by any stretch of the imagination. My bet is on some Zeta model for greater economies of scale on the platform.

Fair review. I didn't think it was harsh, plus he said it was atypical of recent GMs.