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That wagon rendering with the crazy D-pillar?? ROTFLMAO

Well I'm certainly not flying to Libya to stand in solidarity with the protesters while getting fired at.

I really like this and hope it comes to the US. What's really missing, though, is a coupe. Civic coupes are common enough that there is definitely a market for a Cruze coupe.

Please, don't jinx it. I like the car so far, but I imagine it will have a generic Cadillac look to it--which is fine; I like that. The interior though, better be top notch. I have issues with materials quality in the CTS coupe that are simply unacceptable for the price point, and I hope Cadillac doesn't cheap out on the ATS because it's "cheaper" than a CTS. I'll be cautiously optimistic, though, since GM didn't pull that crap with the Cruze.

Hey now...I changed mine to support the Middle East a few weeks ago...sometimes it's worth it to spread awareness/show support.

I have to agree with this. I would say that yes, every thread follows a formula: news is posted, most members are excited, then smk posts and a mini-flame war erupts, then certain old-timers post their negative, doom-and-gloom posts and essentially kill the thread after childishly nitpicking whatever to death. It gets old. Eh...I think Pontiac had more to do with it. There are, IMO only two partisan hacks on this board. I may disagree with regfootball, but he at least makes some sense some of the time.

So? 1. Businesses are composed of humans. Humans are emotional (even if the emotional response is an unconcious one). Maybe these will sell, maybe they will not, but the emotional aspect will remain. 2. Europe is no indicator for our market. 3. Of course not, but I hope they reduce the ugly before they release these vans. You clearly have little insight into the experience of a small business owner. Does it fulfill my needs? How much does it cost to operate/maintain? How does it drive? Can I paint an effective advertisement for my business all over it? Can I service it conveniently? Is it reliable? Those are the questions asked by a business, NOT "Can I get it lower, longer and wider?" You clearly know absolutely nothing about contractors - read Balthy's post for a quick primer. Excuse me? As Balthy himself said, it is quite apparent these vans aren't intended for contractors. Or did you forget to read the "quick primer"? I'm actually quite familiar with contractors--I know a good number of them. More disturbing to me is your conflating of contractors with small bricks-and-mortar business owners, like florists, bakers, printers, caterers, etc. Is there a point in there somewhere? I've been a contractor since 1985, and worked for, around, and with contractors for even longer. The appearance of a work vehicle is an important aspect of living in that world. It is both a sales tool, and a source of pride. For a contractor, a good truck (van) is like a good tool - a bad one is almost worse than none at all. As usual, you cannot see beyond yourself. You're the only one trying to argue about contractors here--the rest of us are talking about the couriers/delivery businesses that these vehicles are clearly designed for. I don't think there's any disagreement here at all that these vans most likely will not sell heavily to contractors--because by just looking at them, that's not the primary intended market.

So? 1. Businesses are composed of humans. Humans are emotional (even if the emotional response is an unconcious one). Maybe these will sell, maybe they will not, but the emotional aspect will remain. 2. Europe is no indicator for our market. 3. Of course not, but I hope they reduce the ugly before they release these vans. You clearly have little insight into the experience of a small business owner. Does it fulfill my needs? How much does it cost to operate/maintain? How does it drive? Can I paint an effective advertisement for my business all over it? Can I service it conveniently? Is it reliable? Those are the questions asked by a business, NOT "Can I get it lower, longer and wider?" You clearly know absolutely nothing about contractors - read Balthy's post for a quick primer. Excuse me? As Balthy himself said, it is quite apparent these vans aren't intended for contractors. Or did you forget to read the "quick primer"? I'm actually quite familiar with contractors--I know a good number of them. More disturbing to me is your conflating of contractors with small bricks-and-mortar business owners, like florists, bakers, printers, caterers, etc.

So? 1. Businesses are composed of humans. Humans are emotional (even if the emotional response is an unconcious one). Maybe these will sell, maybe they will not, but the emotional aspect will remain. 2. Europe is no indicator for our market. 3. Of course not, but I hope they reduce the ugly before they release these vans. You clearly have little insight into the experience of a small business owner. Does it fulfill my needs? How much does it cost to operate/maintain? How does it drive? Can I paint an effective advertisement for my business all over it? Can I service it conveniently? Is it reliable? Those are the questions asked by a business, NOT "Can I get it lower, longer and wider?"

This is awesome. Finally a truck that doesn't look like a Midwestern meth head designed the front. This is a truck you could take home to mom.

I've always been a fan of Bridgestone/Firestone RADIAL ATX, RADIAL ATX II, and Wilderness AT tires. They seem to work best when slightly under pressure on top-heavy SUVs at freeway speeds. Really hard to find these days for some reason...

Love it. Bring it here!

Oh I guarantee that they do...just internally. How else will they be able to justify killing the wagon in a model year or two when it "doesn't sell"?

Honestly I'm shocked at how little attention has been paid to Bieber's (and his family's) bigotries.

I would recommend you put it into the bank credit union Ocn. Leaving it around the house can be an issue in the event of fire or burglary. Fixed. Of course, Suze Orman would recommend a Roth IRA.

And yet it still isn't a retainer clip.

OK now I love these things and the potential behind them, but c'mon--my driving a Volt isn't going to make slower traffic suddenly keep right on the Harbor Fwy. nor will the immigrants start using turn signals, drive faster than 25mph, and/or move when the light turns green. And they for sure won't keep the rain away from Cahuenga Pass.

1) The slight misalignments/build quality issues will be overshadowed by the fact that for buyers, they are buying something rare and unique. 2) The airbag cover is no worse than any GM car between 1990 and 2005.

Given the popularity of low-fidelity .mp3 files on ipods and burnt discs, if anyone notices problems with the speakers, then there must be some real problems.

We get it, you don't like the car. Now that you've been proven wrong on the speaker, now the problem is the renderings. Or is it the name "Fisker" now? Because your typing "Fister" is about as immature and puerile as razoredge always typing "Saturine" for "Saturn." And maybe the brown rendering has a base system instead of an upgrade--nobody knows, and nobody cares because either way, it isn't the, gasp, A-pillar retainer clips that had you feeling faint and clutching your smelling salts to your nose. You don't have to like the car. You can hate it for no reason whatsoever. But at this point you've made your distaste of it extremely clear, and now you're just arguing for the sake of it, and it gets old.

I would expect a Regal would have much better-quality stock speakers than a Cobalt. Something about a $15-$20k price premium.

Here's the real-life photo pow posted, not the rendering. Where's the tumor? Oh wait, it's audio integrated into the pillar behind a woven overlay.

Personally, I'd wait to see how popular it becomes in West Hollywood before deeming it to be a hit or not.

And content. That's the big thing for me--size, performance, content, European athleticism...this car fills the spot vacated by the Aurora. I haven't looked at the interior dimensions (no way the trunk matches up to mine), but the performance matches up. The V8 Aurora did 0-60 in 7.5 seconds, with the V-6 clocking in at around 8.5. Now, what are the engines and 0-60 times in the Regal? Seems like an efficiency upgrade to me. Fuel economy numbers? Aurora was rated 19/28 (V6) and 17/25 (V8). Those are the original ratings, NOT the revised ones because at least for the 3.5 they are more accurate by my experience. For comparison, the Regal and turbo (T) fuel economies are: 19/30 and 18/28 (T). EDIT: I hope you mean trim exterior dimensions, because the interior is quite spacious.

I'm with reg. At that pricepoint the base audio, let alone the upgrade, should be excellent. I mean c'mon, back in 2000 the base audio for my Aurora 3.5 is almost as good as the Bose upgrade. And frankly, I think the Regal is the closest thing to a spiritual successor to the Aurora in the current GM lineup.