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Thanx Frisky.

Yours is awesome too.

I may be a muscle car guy through and through, an AMERICAN car guy enthusiast at heart, but along the way, I have learned to appreciate the many wonders that exist throughout the world.

Like the 1986 930 Turbo.

It was actually my first time that I fell for the 911. Later I found out that the 1986 930 Turbo is special. My first time in contact with a 911 was in the movie The Bachelor Party in 1984-1985 when it came out on Beta. I did not know how to feel about it but a year or so later fell in love with the  930 Turbo. The Targa from 1987 just looks cool with that whale tail. But those too, (from 1987-1989) have become special models.

From 1989 and on I started doing my homework on the 911 starting with the 959 and when I saw the speedster. And that is when I fell in love with the 1973 Carrera RS 2.7.

Then the 993 came to be and how could anybody not respect the 1993 GT2 and the Twin Turbo of 1997?

I may not like the early 911s before they were called that in 1963 or so, and that is why I may not be a bonafide Porschefile, but I do know enough about them to be...an enthusiast without being a total fan geek about them. But I do respect the dickens outta them.

1933 Ford Roadster Hot Rod. Ford 5.0 Coyote V8 crate engine and chassis by Factory Five Racing.

Or maybe GM LS/LT crate engine...

1957 Chevy Convertible or Hot Rod

1958 Plymouth Fury

1967 Pontiac GTO

1969 Olds/Hurst or 1970 Olds 442

1969 Plymouth Road Runner or GTX

1973 Pontiac Trans Am

2016 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat

2016/2017 Tesla Model S P100D

2018 Cadillac CT6 4.2 liter TTV8

2017 Ford Fusion Sport...even though I read your review on it and it might not be what I was looking for... for it...

It is still a  compelling package non-the-less.

A Platinum 2.0 Ecoboost will do as well.

Frisky....you took the 2005 Altima SE-R before I could...its OK.

Ill do a Nissan Maxima instead.

1995 Nissan Maxima SE

1991 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme  International Series or 1996-7 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. Both with the 3.4 liter V6 DOHC.

Guys...maybe the Chevy SS is off limits, but not the Pontiac G8 GXP...

Chevy Malibu 2.0T Premier

I did not want to do Buick Regal since Buick is kinda premium lux.

Yeah, I know....I did Oldsmobile when Oldsmobile was kinda premium lux....well....Oldsmobile is no longer so....Wait a second, I got something in my eye.

Yellow

Yellow Ferrari for me.

And If I understood the question correctly...the choices are only these 2. The F-40 and the 488.

Id take a 488GTB. In yellow.

OK Frisky....

I came back just to do this list. For you. For Sled over at MT. (I think I saw two other dream garage threads. Ill do those next)

I am not a Porschephile by any means. Sometimes I see them as  ugly, bug eyed, frog styled Nazi Volkswagen Kafers (Beetles to you folk). But most of the time, I see them as the awesome machines as they are!  I often get lost in its beauty and I sit there staring at it mesmerized by the sheer engineering marvel that it is. I dont know if I could fill all 9 spots, but Ill sure try. These 911s are the ones that I adore the most. And yes, I respect the dickens outta this sports car as its an icon like no other. These 911s are my favorites.

A 911, or a Vette, are not cars that suit my tastes, but I wouldnt mind having several of them in a Jay Leno style garage that I may own...one day...maybe.  (Keep dreaming that dream....)

1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7

1986 930 Turbo

1987 Carrera Targa or 3.3 Turbo Targa.

1989 Speedster

1993 993 Carrera GT2

1997 993 Twin Turbo

2015 Targa 4S

I like cars with stripes...

2016 911R

And I dont know if this one qualifies as a 911.but the 959 shall be in my garage no matter what is you say Frisky...

HEY....what do you know? I actually found 9. Does that make me a bonafide Porshefile?

Hellcat or Scat-pack. NO CONTEST.

MOPAR OR NO CAR.

GO MANGO OR SUBLIME

DUDE...the war started in 1939...I know some of you American folk think that WW2 started in 1941...

Harley Early and Bill Mitchel were not farm boys in Indiana not knowing what is what...

Dude...I READ MANY books on THIS PARTICUALR SUBJECT WAAAAAY BACK IN THE 1980s...I was 10 years old...and the material that I came across state dual vertical stabilizers...ALL OF THEM, NO PARTICULAR aircraft in question...now...I don't remember if those were the EXACT words of Harley and Bill...but REVISIONIST HISTORY is ALWAYS A MUST when it comes down to FACTS!!! And ROMANCE is what is happening here!

And THAT is why I KEEP on MENTIONING DUAL VERTICAL STABILIZERS!!!

DUAL VERTICAL STABILIZERS...

I DID NOT GET THIS ON MY OWN....I GOT IT FROM SOMEWHERE!!!

Yes it is PRETTY SILLY...

ESPECIALLY WHEN I GOT THE RIGHT ANSWER 2 POSTS IN!!! MY FIRST POST WAS ALSO ACCURATE...

Argue all you want with me...my answer is the correct one!

Let me repeat...DUAL VERTICAL STABILIZERS WERE the INSPIRATION for fins...and yes the P-38 had those...so did many other planes...that were older...that Harley and Bill actually saw BEFORE the P-38...it jst makes for a more romantic story to say it was from the forkerd devil of an airplane...that supposedly the Germans called it...but in reality, the P-38 was not all that effective for it to be called the forked devil...

I heard of a joke that WW2 vets used to say...that it was called the forked devil because it killed its own pilot...kinda like how the F-104 was dubbed the widow maker...ironically by the German airforce as well...

Well...DUH! Of course is a BOLD FACED LIE!!!

If Harley Earl and Bill Mitchel was not HONEST about the whole thing...YEAH! ITS A LIE!!!

That is a SWATIKA on one of those stabilizers...

Im sure both of them did not want to associate Cadillac with the Nazi war machine after the war ended. Before the war...Hitler was alright...Time Life Man of the Year...TWICE!

This is a Dornier DO 15...over Athens, Greece....BEFORE the US entered the war...

Im sure Harley Earl and Bill Mitchel saw similar photos...

That is the thing...All these Nazi aircraft were OLDER airplanes than the P-38...

One could say that the inspiration was a P-38...even if its straight from the horses mouth...reality tells a different story though...

P-38 being successful or not is irrelevant...true...

But...since I posted 5-6-7 other WW2 era aircraft with dual vertical stabilizers and there are many many others older than the P-38, and since at least one MORE iconic airplane toughed it out in combat during the 1950s and since other related articles that I have read back in the  EARLY 1980s while I was just 10 years old reading this information crediting ALL dual vertical stabilizers and not just singling out the P-38, because back then...when the war was over and it was only 40 years passed and not 70 years passed as it is in 2016...when the romance of the P-38 is idolized more over the romance of the B-25...because the romance of the B-25 and B-17 was greater than that of the P-38 in the 1980s...then yeah...it is disingenuous to credit the P-38 solely...

Like I said...even if Harley Earl and Bill Mitchel credited the P-38 in the memoirs...what are they to do?

Say that a Nazi machine was an inspiration to the Cadillac...in 1948? When the war against the Nazis ended just 3 years prior?

The P-38 went into service in 1941...

The Messerschmitt BF110 saw action from day one...in 1939...

Surely American newspapers had a photogragh or two of the BF110 when WW2 actually started....in 1939...even though the US entered the war in 1941...

And...I MENTIONED fins....wrong airplane?

BULLSHYTE!

  other WW2 era aircraft with dual vertical stabilizers and there are many many others older than the P-38, and since at least one MORE iconic airplane toughed it out in combat during the 1950s and since other related articles that I have read back in the  EARLY 1980s while I was just 10 years old reading this information crediting ALL dual vertical stabilizers and not just singling out the P-38, because back then...when the war was over and it was only 40 years passed and not 70 years passed as it is in 2016...when the romance of the P-38 is idolized more over the romance of the B-25...because the romance of the B-25 and B-17 was greater than that of the P-38 in the 1980s...then yeah...it is disingenuous to credit the P-38 solely...

I wouldn't care as much, but to sit here have someone say to me that I am wrong is just plain....stupid!

Ive had this discussion in 1983-1984 with my buddies.

Two/three/four 10-12 year old nerds talking about WW2 history, airplanes and cars...in 1983/1984...this is old news for me...

And as you could see, I nailed it from the get go...

From the F117/Lamborghini connection because the way the thread was worded, it implied MODERN airplane design languages...and even then, I included 2 aircraft as the SR-71 was the first one...we could say that it was the F117...SEMANTICS is NOT a good way to argue!

Then the OP said it was false...

So I went directly to the fins of the 50s...with a B-25 and B-24...then I SHOWED you folk how many dual vertical stabilizer aircraft really existed during the 1930s and 1940s...with REAL examples of NOT SO SUBTLE DUAL vertical stabilizers in car wings...

Then the OP said NO to that too...

And you know what?

BUBBLE TOP roofs were ALSO a styling theme of the 1950s America wide! And I alos showed MODERN cars with bubble type AIRCRAFT AERODYNAMIC roofs...

Then the op SAID no TO THAT TOO...THEN I WENT AIRPLANE EXHAUST ON YOU FOLK...to which the OP said yeah...that may work also...but no he says...

So yeah...I guess trivia threads are kinda useless when one gets the answer right, but ignores it...and then another argues facts even when presented with PICS and tries to sound intelligent, all in the while...the answer was given from the get go!

No...not the P38...sorry if I burst your bubble in telling ya'll the P-38 is just marketing fluff...ESPECIALLY coming from the designers themselves when it be embarrassing to them to sell us cars that had Nazi elements to them...as the BF110 was an OLDER airplane!!!

No he is not 100% correct.

Balthy's POV is dead on!

Cadillac does not use subtle fins anymore. Cadillac uses blade taillights that reflect the past, but fins they are not. Nor do they protrude like fins.

With me, the article states that the P-38 went out of service in 1948...but you know what?

The North American P-51 Mustang AND the North American B-25 Mitchel saw service in Korea. Yeah...that war was between the years 1950-1953...

The B-25 had dual vertical stabilizers...and THAT bomber was probably MORE iconic than the P-38 was...but like I mentioned...saying the P-38 was the inspiration is more romantic because it looked different than the others.

However, the P-38, for those in the know, was a very difficult plane to fly. It was unstable.  And for those in the know, it was not even the first dual vertical stabilizer airplane...

So...what is Harley Earl and Bill Mitchel gonna say? That their inspiration comes from a Nazi airplane? I believe that the Messerschmitt BF 110 is an OLDER design than the P-38. I could mbe wrong though, I don't feel like googling.. What are they gonna say? That the inspiration came from goofy looking bombers?  Although the B-25 is a beautiful aircraft, it does not appear to be as sleek as the P-38...

But that is the thing, there are other dual vertical stabilizer aircraft to put solely the spotlight on the P-38 is disingenuous. People in the know...know better! 

Plus I read other articles that don't give the P-38 credit for the fin crazy 50s...Dual vertical stabilizers in general are credited.

PLUS PLUS...the jet age was upon us anyway...jet airplanes were also an inspiration for the ENTIRE American industry MORE than the fins as Ford did not really give in to this styling, but went all out on the jet engine motif and it does continue today....and I gave many examples of that. My very first post...along with airscoops, the F-16 as well as the P-51 Mustang...

The article states that newer fighters made it obsolete...

The Supermarine Spitfire was an OLDER design and it was a better aircraft...that it why the P-38 never saw action over Europe.

The P-51 plane was a newer design but only became a dominant fighter when the UK proposed to put the Rolls Royce engine in it...

The Messerscmitt BF 109 was also an older airplane than the P-38, but that too was a better aircraft.

The Focke Wolfe FW 190 was a newer airplane, almost as good as the P51D version of the Mustang, with the Merlin engine, and that too was a better airplane than the P-38...

No wonder the P-38 never saw action in Europe.

The Pacific war front...

The Hellcat and other American fighters took over well before the war ended...funny though, in Europe, the BF 109 continued to march on, and that airplane too was woefully obsolete by 1943-1944....but it was a more stable flyer than the P-38 was...

Trust me, during the war, the real people fighting the war, did not like the P38 much...

I also have a problem with this too...as I mentioned fins...like my second post. NO, I did not mention the P-38, I mentioned the B-25 and B-24.

Bill Mitchel and Harley Earl could mention P-38 all they want for their inspiration....But there are several aircraft during WW2 to have dual vertical stabilizers.....to boot, I even posted the same year Cadillac as the article. 'Xcept my pic was a coupe rather than a sedan.

From the USA

B-24

B-25

P-38

From the UK

Lancaster

From Germany

Dornier Do 17,  215  and 217

Messerschmidt BF110

From The USSR

Petlyakov  Pe-2

Its semantics to have said no to me...

As the story goes....only because the P-38 looks to be the more romantic story line because it looks prettier than the others with dual vertical stabilizers...

I personally prefer the North American B-25 Mitchel and the Messerschmidt Bf-110 in looks over the others. The Russian Pe-2 aint too shabby lookin' either.

Yup. I more airplane crazy than I am car crazy.

PS: There are others too. I just dont feel like posting all of them..

I aint enjoying the experience either. Ive gotten used to it, but I dont like it.

I too, find the new digs to be too busy. I also find the new digs to be cold and uninviting. I cant put my finger on why that is, but that is how I feel. 

I have come to terms with FCA's Sergio phoquing it up for Chryco.

But...at least we got a couple of years of fan-phoquing-tastic Mopars from that deal.

We got 2-3 years of Viper. We got Hellcats.

Remember, Chryco was finished. It would have been the end right then and there in 2009. Prolonging the agony is what it seems now though.

54 minutes ago, Intrepidation said:

The exhaust thing is a neat comparison to make actually.

Thank-you.

Even though some of my answers are just for fun, I tried to at least make logical connections.

Like the exhaust comparison. It was a serious and legit answer. The fire part was of pure levity though.

12 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Some Very cool answers, I am excited to eventually learn what it is!  

Yes. Me too as I dont know where else to go with comparisons....

25 minutes ago, dfelt said:

 HyperTube, the ultimate stage left move to distract peeps!

 

HyperTube? The ultimate stage left move to distract peeps?

What does have to do with distracting peeps? He is quite the informed poster most of the time. And Ive read his posts, he is far from having left moves. He is as right as one could get...

OH!!!!

HyperTube!!!!

Not hyperv6!!! 

Montreal, Québec, Canada.

Born and raised and still living proudly in Montréal. In the heart of the city is where I was raised and now I own a restaurant and live in a suburb of Montréal in the west of the island.

My dad was also born and raised in Montréal while his parents emigrated to Canada from Greece in the late 1890s. Montréal is where they decided to call home.

My mom was born and raised in Greece and in her early 30s decided to emigrate to Canada in 1967. She took a boat ride from Piraeus, Greece and landed in Halifax, Canada to which she took a train ride to Montréal where she ultimately met my dad and eventually had me. 

Unlike Frisky, it does not look like I move around much and maybe its because of that reason that I cant see myself living anywhere else other than Montréal. Ive visited Toronto twice, Boston plenty of times, NYC plenty of times, Paris & Amsterdam once and only for a short couple of hours, Athens-Greece plenty of times and the islands and villages of Greece of where my family comes from but Montréal is where Id rather be...for now. Retirement is for another conversation.

(leave it to me to make a novel sized post regarding just 1 location of residence that I have ever held)

Somehow, this scene springs to my mind...

Airplane exhaust:

Buick side vents...round, square, it dont matter:

Or anybody else for that matter:

Or....fire

Ill do yet another one.  Im enjoying  searching for and pics of airplanes for a change.
I KNOW this aint it either, just doing this for pure fun for you folk and for me.

The single wing. Bi-Planes and Tri-Planes are sooooooo WW1.

Single wings started out just before WW2 in the 1930s.

Front air splitters

Unless of course we are talking about air scoops on the underbelly of the aircraft...

To airscoops anywhere on sports cars?

Ram Air hoods, Ram air scoops.....airflow pass throughs.....

Well....I also thought about the 20 year thing placing the era at 1995 as well, but because I know my aircraft well, I know that airplanes in 1995 were not exactly new. All the designs in 1995 that flew were from the 1970s. F-16, F-18, MiG 29...And these airplanes were massaged designs from the 1960s  such as the F-15 and MiG 25...

Even the SR-71 is from the 1960s...the 1980s and 1990s were just about enhanced versions of the 1970s aircraft. Yes, this is an oversimplified revision, but this aint a history lesson on military aircraft either...

But the next generation aircraft..like the Stealth Bomber and the F-117 started in the 1990s and that is why y first post went to the SR-71 (first attempt at stealth) and to the F-117 with Lamborghini.

Sharp edges on cars is also used by Cadillac and Acura. Hardly industry wide, but I took a shot.

Yeah....I have nothing. I gave it all that I had. I have no idea what 1995ish airplane design made it into cars today. Like I said, the F-16, F-18 and MiG 29 were  1970s designs that what we have today are just better avionics and eletronics on these aircraft.

The Stealth stuff is truly late 1980s, 1990s stuff.

The we get the delta winged Mirages from the French. 1960s. Sorry, 1950s as Canada did the Avrow Arrow.

EDIT

I see that it is indeed the WW2 era.... .

OK...bubble canopies...

The Spitfire and P-51D started with the bubble canopy thing.

What?

Wrap around windshields and/or bubble top roofs?

 On modern cars?

They both have some sort of bubble top roof....

Okay...Ill do another:  But this one is just for fun as I know this is not it. The Jet engine one is a legit response and guess.  I like this thread so Id like to continue posting pics of airplanes....

Junkers Ju-87 Stuka and Vought F4U Corsair

With Gullwing doors and scissor doors

Or....And I know you said same era as the P51 Mustang...which is WW2 propellar era. But the jet age did start during WW2, so....not only did Oldsmobile do the rocket theme logo and Rocket 88 name plates...

Ford had afterburner tail-lights in the 1950s and 1960s

Chrysler actually did have a turbine engine in their car and stylized accordingly

And modern Ford....

What I find amusing is that when Tesla's Elon Musk talks a big game, he is said to be a magician. Smoke and mirrors....

When fossil fuel automotive CEO freaks talk a big game about EVs, not as much as a hint of negativity is thrown that way....

Yet...VAG(Porsche, Audi, VW and the rest), nor Mercedes have a pure EV on the market as we speak and their projects are at least another 2-3 years away.

We give Elon shyte for the Model 3 that is 2-3 years away, and ironically will probably be sold at that 50-60 thousand dollar threshold as SMK has stated,  but probably a tad cheaper and a very capable P100 could be bought RIGHT NOW! Plus the lesser battery Model S P##s for cheaper than the big gun P100...

To boot, VAG, BMW, M-B throw out EV performance numbers that their EVs will possibly be doing 2-3-4-5-6-7 years from now that a P100 actually does RIGHT NOW!!!

*SIGH*

Yeah. Yeah.

When the rest of the automobile industry makes a Tesla Model S fighter, Tesla will fold...........

'When and if' arguments just kill me!