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Hey, bud. How have you been? Why a pic of ZZ Top's Eliminator? Because Texas! And because we both have a love affair with music...we could share music again!!! Welcome back to posting! And what else do I love about Texas? We could share stories about dem Cowboys again! Big changes I heard have started already... And the time you shared your story about your neighbor's We could share good talks about cars again!!!

Its only 3 years away...if we count it as we do birthdays...technically, the 2016s are coming in a couple of months...so...in reality...that is only 2 model years away...for a vehicle that sells the way it does...in a niche where buyers have gone SUV crazy...again....for a vehicle that DEFINES the genre and niche...it aint no biggie...OK...come 2018...Jeep might feel a slight decrease in sales due to the fact that it has been that long...but Im sure it will still outsell its competition at that point in time regardless.

I found it funny. Super funny. However...Im in the camp you mentioned that when Chevy finally goes all out with the aluminium stuff all around and not just on the hood...Ill be ready to call out Chevy for it. One thing I dont like is hypocrite stuff... Sure...the commercial was funny, sure it packs a punch...but how much of that punch will come back to bite Chevy in the butt? That commercial is only fine for the people that love Chevy and hate Ford... Lets face it...that commercial wont make die hard Ford guys dump the F-150 just because Chevy says aluminium is less safe than high strength steel... That commercial might get some sales from people in between...those that are not brand loyal to Ford or Chevy...and when Chevy eventually goes aluminium like the F-150...then those people that bought the Silverado based on that bear....well...they will feel duped...and may never buy a Chevy again... Why I say that? Because there are many people out there that swear by the words of marketers...they are soooo naive that they believe everything they hear on TV...and these people...get flustered very easily when they find out you messed with them... Im sure Silverado sales wont go caca just because of this very funny commercial...but I am not impressed by the message behind it either.

Why? I dont know....ask BMW what the difference is....why wasnt "utility" good enough? Whatever the answer is...It worked!!! But to the detriment of the 5/6 Series...those cars aint cool no more... And THAT is what Im saying...and THAT is what YOU refuse to admit. On the flip side...I aint fooled by that term...trust me...Id rather a M5 over a X6M any day of the week. But the buying public dont think so... And THAT is alls Im saying. And...why are YOU soooooo surprised by that fact that the crossover segment is hot and that SAVs from BMW are hot and the 5/6 Series is not? Image....thats all it is... BMW has perfected the art of image... From The Ultimate Driving Machine To James Bond Z8s and Z3s..but the Z3s fizzled fast... To SAV X5s and X6s... They had the 5 Series in the bag...but decided to concentrate elsewhere...

About the 5/6 Series... The BMW marketing machine does not give them love...so people stay away... The BMW marketing machine compares a 5500 lbs SUV...sorry...SAV...to a Nissan GTR....but slightly slower... The BMW marketing machine has stopped trying to product place their 5/6 Series cars... They have with Motorcycles... They have with the i8 and the crossover market is :hot: So that leaves the 5/6 Series to rot rot rot...

Hey...it aint Chevy or GM that tagged the phrase SPORTS ACTIVITY VEHICLE for SAV rather than SPORTS UTILITY VEHICLE for SUV....that would be BMW...and I see that you completely IGNORED the fact that an E39 5 Series was the last cool ride that BMW made...after that...it is all X5/X6.... WHY? Because BMW was the one to DEFINE it as a SPORTS ACTIVITY VEHICLE... And the handling part of the argument....dont blame that on me...blame the BMW marketing people... Its them that came up with the new niche SPORTS ACTIVITY VEHICLE... This is what garbage I have to listen to: "The fastest crossover" "You shouldnt be able to do things this like this in a crossover" "This thing feels like a lot closer to Nissan GTR...not quite as fast obviously" And this clip was sponsored by BMW....THAT is the message that BMW wants out...and because crossovers are the hot sellers now...for the last 30 years actually...the 5/6 Series suffers... Like I said...the X5/X6 ride and handle better than the 5/6 Series because BMW wants you to believe that...dont hate me...hate BMW for that message... PS: Chevy produces REAL BOF SUVs...and markets them as such... Chevy produces FAMILY oriented crossovers and markets them as such... Chevy produces BLUE COLLAR pick-ups and markets them as such... Chevy produces yacht hauling pick-ups and markets them as such... Chevy produces cool Z/71 off roading pickups and markets them as such... Chevy produces reverse gravitational pulling power pickups and markets them as such... What Chevy does not do...is try to make SUVs cool and "in"...and falsely claim them to be SPORTS ACTIVITY VEHICLES... Chevy lets the population themselves deem their SUVs and pickup trucks as cool...no need to "Hollywood" them up... Alan Jackson...chose to drive a Chevy pickup...and used his Chevy in a video...no product placement... BMW would KILL to have that kind of cool for their SUVs...sorry...SAVs But they do...the Russian Mafia really loves their X6s...

I know that I posted this 25 hours too late... But its never too late to wish my favorite neighbor to the South Happy Birthday!

You've read this here before, you chose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your agenda. Earlier today alone I corrected you that the A6 starts cheaper than the CTS. Cadillac as a brand earns a higher brand ATP than BMW. Cadillac CAN get "german money" and does. Above post spouts yet another ignorant statement. People don't buy an Escalade to transport 7 people, they buy it because it's an Escalade; an icon. Having a smaller SUV won't take away from it's sales but add to them. Exactly...on the BMW thread...he cant understand why the 5/6 Series is losing sales and the X5/X6 is gaining sales... its all about the image... The 5/6 Series had the image...now its the X5/X6 that has the "it" factor...and BMW is the only one to blame for that... And thus why Cadillac will shoot itslef in the foot if it decides to build a car or crossover smaller than the ATS and XT5 for crossovers. Cadillac has 1 image to adhere to...and that is to be big, brash and arrogant. PS: When Cadillac establishes itself on top...it will be 100% fully at the top of the heap with ALL cars being top level...there wont be any econobox bread and butter vehicles like a B Class M-B or FWD 2 Series Bimmers... What does that say for the future of BMW as a top luxury car maker? What that tells me is that they already have built themselves their own flop like a Cimarron in the Late 1990s early 2000s BMW 318ti...and now they are on their way in making their own Version of crappy FWD STS and DTS/Deville cars....first the 2 Series...and later bigger vehicles as people will stop viewing BMW as pure enthusiast enjoyment but as nice leather appointed cars...and the SAVs are contributing to that...X1 and X3 especially...

Like I said...BMW did this on their own...they put some love into their "SAVs"... They are letting the 5/6 Series rot on the vine...plus...the 5/6 Series have strayed too far away from what makes a BMW a BMW... Why buy a 5 Series GT when the nicer cooler X5 is hippier....and it probably handles better...and the ride is probably more smoother... Why buy a regular 5 Series when it aint cool anymore to be seen in a 5 Series...the X6 is hip....Hell...the Russian Mafia swear buy it... That represents the last time a 5 Series was cool. It was a cop car in a very popular video game franchise... Coincidentally, that was before BMW created the SAV... Remember...not only did BMW dropped the slogan "The Ultimate Driving Machine" but BMW also crapped out on the driving dynamics of their cars...but...their SAVs on the other hand...well....they do market them as sports activity vehicles that handle the roads better than any other SAVs around...it aint hard to put 2 & 2 together. AND...like I said...the crossover segment is the hottest segment...it has been for the last 20-30 years...and BMW helped create this segment...and BMW nurtured and cared for their crossovers very carefully...unlike the 5/6 Series... I dont know how else I can explain that to you... As far as M-B goes...I wasnt talking about crossovers outselling their cars... I was talking about both BMW and M-B diluting their image and possibly damaging it... When you stray too far away from what you marketed yourself and from what made you a success in the first place with sub-par, mediocre and complete opposite products from what made you famous...well...you will start losing market share...in the long run... BMW...well...it wont take long to start losing sales from even the 3/4 Series if the 3/4 Series become any bigger...and become more like a pony car/American family car to its closest competition...Lexus and Cadillac. BMW...famous for small cars that handle like Go-Karts with the punishing ride. The perfect balance of man and machine doing their thing...where the car does exactly what the driver wants it to do...and the car responds to its driver and communicates to its driver every single the inch of that road... Now...does the 5/6 Series fit that bill? Does the X5/X6 fit that bill? Now that all the car manufacturers are buildiing their own SAVs...Jaguar is on its way shortly...Cadillac is but 1 year away...will the X5/X6 continue to be the "in" SAV...remember...BMWs are known as "Ultimate Driving Machines"... Cadillacs...well...they are known to be big, brash, and arrogant...and the 'Slade only reinforces that...Cadillac aint tied to any mantra...as long as it either big, brash or arrogant...it could handle the twisties...or it cant...it dont matter... The X5/X6 are still sold as SAVs...not as SUVs...which implies that they are "sportier" than SUVs...Im afraid that BMW has put themselves into a corner... Even M-B... The Maybach failed...ultra luxury from M-B failed...when Cadillac gets up and running in that segment...I feel sorry for the S-Class...because...M-B Sprinters and B Class and CLAs are gonna be just as much their downfall as Cadillac re-capturing their place as "The Standard of the World" Its easy for Cadillac to be "The Standard of the World"...Cadillac need not produce blue collar machines to taint snobby appeal...

If I was Lexus...Id give the LFA V10 a home in this car. Id forgo a TT V8 in favor for the Yamaha V10 and a hybrid system...

What is so surprising about the 5 and 6 Series tanking in sales and both the X5 and X6 soaring in sales? 1. The 3 Series and 4 Series are the models that define BMW...Through ultimate driving machine heritage to flagship model as its the M3 and now the M4 are the face of BMW speed. Plus...the 3 Series remains as the company's bread and butter mainstream offering... 2. The current 5 Series is UGLY and its aging...not a very good combo. 3. The current 6 Series...its supposed to be a 4 door coupe...yet it lacks the sex appeal and mojo of both of its German rivals..the CLS and A7...plus its aging...again....not a very good combo. 4. This SUV craze has been 30 years in the making....and BMW is amongst the first to creat this crossover segment thing...especially the sporty SAV crossover thing....with the X5...and then a new niche with the X6... So...while BMW is continuing refining this SAV niche thing...they are negelcting the Ultimate Driving niche thing...and although the 3/4 Series is not hurting...mainly because the X1 and X3 are butt ugly...the X5/X6 are supermodels...and the marketing is top notch...so....the 5/6 Series is suffering... Let me put it this way...BMW focuses on SAVs...makes a fantastic marketing campaign with the new term SAV...Sports Activity Vehicle....while neglecting Ultimate Driving Machine mantra...sooo...20 years after the intro of X5 and X6....comes wild success with crossovers....at the expense of the the butt ugly and less appealing, crappier handling duo of 5/6 Series... Its ironic to me that quite possibly....the X5/X6 ride better and handle much nicer that the 5/6 Series....plus newer... So....where is the surprise? And this may be a glimpse of things to come...and not only with BMW...but perhaps with Mercedes Benz too...

I wouldnt even call it self-restricted. Cadillac cars need not be in every drive-way. First of all...that cheapens an image, especially if Cadillac chases niches that at premium levels. A sub-ATS vehicle...unless sold at $80 000, is a premium level car. Cadillac needs to be at top tier 1...you know...Rolls Royce territory. Like Balthazar said, Cadillac is part of the GM umbrella where Buick fills those shoes quite nicely. M-B has the curse to be everything to everybody BMW chooses this route also. They both have realized this curse....that is why M-B started the Smart brand...and that is why BMW bought Mini and are trying to expand the Mini brand so they dont have to dilute the BMW too much... But...some choices they make...with BMW and the 5 Series GT and M-B with the B series and CLA...is just pure greed...worse than what Cadillac has been accused of with the Cimarron...

People, people, people... We are arguing about cars that existed 30 years ago... The Cimarron...it was a colossal mistake. Not that the car itself was bad...because the J Platform was really not as bad as people made it out to be...but the execution was horrid... Now..how many wished that Cadillac would have badge engineered these two instead of the sedan?

Maybe Cadillac owners have lots of money and don't care. LOL!!!

When the merger of equals happened, and M-B decided to make the sprinter into a Dodge, I would see several "Dodge" Sprinters around in the Montreal area. But now after the fact......I am very thankful that I dont see either the Dodge version or the M-B version. Yup...the original M-B version in Montreal is a dud... So I dont get to see the rusted mess you are talking about. I see plenty Ford Transit Connects and thankfully, and how it should be...the Chevy/GMC vans are going on strong here. Although GM has stopped making those too? Partnership with Nissan for their stuoid looking Euro style van? I honestly dont understand why the wave with Euro Style vans? Anyway...yeah...M-B....in order to make money...if they continue to saturate the market with mediocre mainstream stuff, they will eventually cheapen their high class image...

This was such a sexy concept when it first came out. It still is. The profile of this car is sick!!! I just hope Lexus keeps the sleekness of it. And the predator face grill....I hate it...but not on this car... All the lines and creases that lead into the grill flow so nicely and coherently...and the same happens in the back. What a beautifully designed car this is. I hope Lexus keeps the production model as is, I might actually buy one. If an Oldsmobile 442 was the gentleman's Hot Rod, then this is the gentleman's sports car. OK...maybe Aston Martin holds that title...I dont care....this gentleman wishes that this car is in his driveway one day.

Did someone mention the Mosler El Dorado? EDIT: I SEE THAT YOU BEAT ME TO IT BY 1 MINUTE!!!

An ignorant person could say that, sure, but YOU said it because you're Wings and you can't say anything about GM without a passive aggressive comment or thinly veiled criticism. It's why you don't get banned, yet still have -40 reputation points accrued in a month. really? REALLY???? All I did was make a simple shocked statement on price. All the rest is dust and nonsense for which you have contributed twice now. As for my negative points, a mod confirmed that nearly all of them are from one person who adores me so much that he makes sure you subtracts in every one of my posts, regardless. I will try to move on with my life though. This^^^ This is the reason why U get on my *** nerves.. U thin for some reason I got these guys over here away from MT to help in your ever continuing need for free online psychotherapy. No one really gives a $h! about your opinion in these threads.. because for 1) U are biased as a muthf**ka. I'm talking even more than me in that U ignore the reality of things and live in some crazy world where white is black and black is rainbow. 2) have no interest in these types of cars.. RWD, non-turbo V6 or 4cylinder, or luxury because.. well.. U're a Ford fan. 3) are just a GM hater.. despite them putting food on your ***king table and sending U to school 3) First of all...Hi there Wings. I decided to quote Casa...because...well...CP had an answer for you..and so does Casa...and because this: "This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by Wings4Life. View it anyway?" Its hard to just ignore and zoom past your stupidity when so many quote you...I saw this in your post and decided to answer you back... "As for my negative points, a mod confirmed that nearly all of them are from one person who adores me so much that he makes sure you subtracts in every one of my posts, regardless. I will try to move on with my life though." You dummy.... 1. you have about 40 negative posts...I did about 15...that would still leave you with 25 negatives....but wait...you said that the mods actually up voted my negatives...that negates my 15 negative votes...you idiot...you still have -40... Oh....this is the PM you gave me at Motor Trend...this was posted on June 23 @9:06 AM WingsFan4Life User | Posts: 238 | Joined: 05/15 Posted: 06/23/15 09:06 AM In case you did not know, all your negative votes at C&G forum do nothing other than add up. They are designed to deal with spammers, and when a significant amount adds up, merely hides the post that got all the votes. The mods are alerted to your actions and can see every single one of them, and then vote them back up to counter. How childish btw. So either knock it off, or I will continue to draw attention to your BS. Oh, and welcome to my ignore list. You still accumulated more negative votes....FYI....those were not from me...like I said...I just gave you about 15-18 of them....well now...you have 5 more...because not only your posts are stupid regarding your "yikes" comment and then trying to act innocent by playing your famous victim card......but because you have involved me when you said you were gonna ignore me... It shows you are a Greek born in Greece...Greeks in Greece love to play soccer....and soccer players are all FAKERS!!! Us Canadian boys and American boys...even if we have a Greek backround...like I for instance...we man up...we play with broken bones...hockey players and Football players do... You say you like the Detroit Red Wings? Well....they suck!!! Just like YOU!!!

I get that way on the months where we don't have an extended weekend for a holiday or something. It is amazing what a 3 day weekend will do mentally. Not just the time off but just having something to look forward to that isn't the same. For instance, this weekend. I'm so stoked for it..yet I have nothing planned or anything.. just won't be working. lol My day job has been taking advantage of me for a couple years now and I am so pinned down by them I don't have much time or energy to make a change. I understand, jobs can have a creeping oppression over us. Very very much so.. Same thing with this post. You are always working, slavin' every day...and you need a break from the same 'ol same 'ol...and you need a chance just to get away...and you need nothin' but a good time... I suggest you take a couple of days off!!! Like good 'ol Huey right here... And if that dont work...tell your bosses to take his job and SHOVE IT!!! (Dont actually do the last thing...that wont be too good)

I have that thought every week or so. When times were rough and money was tight, I used to love the notion of giving up everything and starting over somewhere in the midwest. Maybe chase tornadoes (apparently I'm a closet lunatic). For years, I was in a rut just waiting for life plans to pay off. It was mentally exhausting going from college graduation at the peak of the recession to grinding out debt, living paycheck to paycheck, and sticking out a long distance relationship. If you guys don't have a good reason to be in a rut, maybe it's time to shake things up. I wanted to contribute somehow in helping you guys out. But I have no clue how. Ill just do what I do best and post videos. Songs. I think this song sums up quite nicely what CP is trying to say. Ill just add this...you might want to sing it note for note...

Thanx. 'And although Im Canadian and it is Canada Day today...yeah... 'Merica!!!

Seeing as its Canada Day today...Hooray for CANADA!!! (that would be 2 more emoticons used from the library) OK...there is no need to derail this any further... My thoughts on Toyota's performance BOOOO!!!!!!

Sure...and maybe by 2017...a power bump and possibly a mild refresh to keep things current. Id wait until 2017 to buy one...sure I dont get to flaunt Hell at my fingertips...like NOW...but its well worth the wait money wise. "Good things come to those who wait" I believe is the saying. Especially for my pockets... On the other hand...707 HP and 650 ft/lbs torque and driving it NOW is well worth the price of admission...because you own the Hellcat...NOW!!! You dont have to wait 2 years to experience...HELL...What a ride that is I bet!!! If you really wants this car...and you see this video...and there are other videos that are much better than this one...honestly...could you actually wait 2 years to own one? I know if I had the money and space...and the weather to cooperate with me...I wouldnt want to wait 2 years....I WOULD WANT THIS CAR....LIKE...YESTERDAY!!! I know I contradicted myself in this post regarding the timeline of waiting to own this machine...I honesty would be amongst the first to buy the Challenger Hellcat had I had the money and not lived in Montreal...weather and gas prices...so yeah...Id be one of those fools to pay the premium for one...however...Id be a very happy fool...and possibly a dead one...or at the very least...divorced with no legal drivers license from all the speeding tickets and demerit points Id inherit with this car. If I had Jay Leno money with a Jay Leno car garage...Id make myself a spot for a few cars...Id name that spot...Hades Corner...and I would spotlight all the Devil themed cars... Challenger and Charger Hellcat Lamborghini El Diablo 1958 Plymouth Fury....several different vintage Furys actually 1970 Dodge Demon 2009 Corvette ZR-1 (Blue Devil), etc...

That is soooooooooo false!!! Not to take away from your post in sympathizing for the loss of Thed's dog, but... 1. Your mom. A mother (usually) will ALWAYS love their children no matter what. A mother's love is not measurable. 2. Your dad. OK...there are some dads...deadbeat dads...but....usually...a dad's love is not measurable. 3. Your children. Your children, no matter what...unless you are a deadbeat dad or deadbeat mom...will ALWAYS look up to you...you...as a parent to your children...are a God to them...your children will ALWAYS love you...your child's love to you is not measurable... So...sure...a pet like a dig or cat or horse....will always love their master...but that is the key word right there...master... Mother's love, Father's love, child's love...unconditional love is the the ultimate...and because you have missed that...I dont know if Im opening up a pandora's box with you...

^^^ Yup...it is odd...that is why I mentioned my oh sooooo great height that I have... Also...if the salesman did his job properly that day, Id be driving a 2012 VW CC R-Line 2.0T as we speak instead of the Acura TL as I was hooked on the car. (The 2013s were on their way in...actually, the CC that I test drove was his last 2012...it was a R-Line...and the 2013s were gonna be shipped later that week or so...) Except the idiot was harping on the fact that I have children and kept pushing the Passat on me...and I did not want the Passat...too stale...I WANTED the CC...I LUSTED after the CC... Its hard for a salesman to "close" me as I KNOW what I want and I rarely get influenced by emotions when I buy a car...actually...I have to LUST over a car in order for me to buy it in the first place so that statement I made is not entirely correct...however, on that particular day I was test driving the CC, if he used his special magical salesman powers on me...he would have had a sale that day....for the CC...not the Passat...because like I said...if he took a notice how my emotions were on the CC, he would have seen a very vulnerably fellow...but alas...my better judgement finally won out and I resisted to buy...because he kept on pushing Passat...Anyway...I left for vacation with my family later that month and when we came back shortly thereafter...I test drove the Buick Regal and the Acura TL....the TL SH-AWD won out...