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No it aint Suave... There is NO time limit... HAD VW made those cars take the tests as is....those cars...were NOT gonna pass...therefore NOT sold... All those cars are ILLEGALLY on the road... Is it THAT hard to understand?

Because everybody else pollutes... We should just let VW CEOs oof the hook...and just leave the cars continuing to pollute... Its OK...because...well...pollution is everywhere...no need to try to curb it...or to set rules...let it be... http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/pictures/5-recent-underreported-environmental-disasters-20140407 From the link above... On March 22nd, almost 170,000 gallons of heavy marine fuel poured into Galveston Bay on the Texas coast after two commercial boats collided in the busy waterway. In Indiana, on March 24th, energy giant BP spilled as many as 1600 gallons of oil — a mix of domestic crude and tar sands oil from Canada — into Lake Michigan, the primary source of drinking water for Chicago's seven million residents. And on March 17th, 20,000 gallons of pipeline oil leaked into a nature preserve in southwest Ohio. Meanwhile, January's Elk River chemical spill, which contaminated the drinking water of 300,000 West Virginians, continues to frighten citizens, many of whom are still not drinking or bathing in it. Pollution has long been an accepted cost of cheap energy production, particularly in states desperate for jobs. Big Energy is a powerful presence in Washington, working hard to block and gut environmental regulation and to defang the agencies tasked with protecting the country's natural resources. Weak or outdated laws governing toxic chemicals, and the absence of standardized oversight, tracking mechanisms or meaningful punishment for oil spills and leaks gives industry the leeway to keep polluting. I guess...because THIS happens often....we should continue to keep a BLIND eye....no matter how big (like that Galveston Bay accident) or how small (how small you think it is....like in VeeDub's case) Sure...the guvment is stupid to actually try to punish and to try to CORRECT a fault... - The diesel cars from VW EXCEED the amounts TOLERABLE... - Had the EPA knew how bad those amounts were back then....the CARS WERE HAVE NEVER BEEN SOLD and KEPT OFF THE STREETS...BACK THEN... VW PROFITED and MADE MONEY from this FRAUD... Yet Hyper V6 sees no problems with that...yet he sees the GERMAN government trying to get these pollutants off the streets as UNREASONABLE... Yet...someone downvotes MY posts because there is a SMIDGEN of truth to my opinion....NOW you know why I went ballistic... Its ANNOYING to have some TWIT downvote you because you state an opinion....MORE SO to than that....its as close to reality as it can get!!! STOP LIVING IN A BUBBLE....accept the fact that VW did wrong...and I...am HAPPY that the HAMMER fell UPON them... Rightfully so...Im happy... VW LIED, FRAUDED the BUYING public...AND...CONTRIBUTES TO POLLUTION KNOWINGLY AND WILLFULLLY!!! Yet some moron finds a problem with me pointing that out... Sure...its over the top... Kinda like how VW's solution to circumvent was over the top..;

Reality is that...since it does not come from Motor Trend...it does NOT suck... As long as it does not come from Motor Trend...because everything from Motor Trend is garbage...

Well...times, they are a-changin'

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I wouldnt be sooooo hard on this...had VW AG NOT marketed to the buying public how green their cars are... Germany....VW's HOME...decided that THIS is not acceptable... You know how protective GERMANY is of their OWN industry? Ask Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy...and even France...hell...ask ANY WW2 survivor...

There is NO plan...either FIX them or GET THEM OFF THE BLOODY road... remember this commercial? Green police... VW AG is a green company? They LIED OUTRIGHT about how GREEN their cars really are... THEY SPEW CRAP...THEY CIRCUMVENTED the software to show that the cars are LEGIT...but the cars aint LEGIT... The people whose cars cant be driven? Well they have LEGAL RECOURSE TO SUE VW AG!!! I guess though...in Mr Capitalism's Hyper V6's world...corporations are FREE TO PHOQUE THE WORLD!!!

EPA laws are there for EVERYBODY to repesct and to COMPLY... Who the hell is VW CEOs to circumvent them??? Bosch even WARNED them NOT to install those on the cars to be sold to the public... Yeah I know...the guvment's fault because the drunk outside your street pissed on the sidewalk...and did not shot to maim him...

Foolish you say??? The cars POLLUTE.... They DONT confirm with the environment... What is it that you dont understand from all of this??? Blame the government all you want...IT IS VW and ITS CEOs that are KNOWINGLY POLLUTING!!! It aint the GUVMENT that circumvented the bloody cars to POLLUTE... But I know...you told me that I was against the rich guy... Yoy know what you are???? Yoy are a modern hippie....problem is that those 1960s hippies....they actually cared for the planet...YOU dont trust the government that YOU actually VOTED... ITS A DEMOCRACY your government... Excuse me...a republic as another similar type such as yourself once told me... Hate the government dude...but for Christ's sake...lay blame where blame needs to be laid... There are laws there for a bloody reason...

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So ...how do you like your VW now???!!! You might as well paint that VeeDub Black, bro...never you mind all those psychedelic colours and the flowers... Because all that smoke and smog those "clean" diesels create...BLACK is more appropriate...

OK...I called it... Like I keep on harping. Environmental laws are put into place for a reason... When products dont comply...they dont comply... Environmental disasters are a big deal... Does this one qualify as a disaster? Maybe the word disaster is a tad too harsh...but it aint too far away from it either... I like this GIF tooo much...I gots to play it again, Sam... BOOOM!!! The HAMMER DROPPED!!! Not yet....but its close to happening...

I feared this might happen... Well...fear from where Im sittin at might not be the accurate terminilogy... That would be a more accurate expression...giddy...and now Im ECTASTIC!!! ELATED!!! Oldsy...show some class!!! NEVER!!! I WANT MORE!!! BLOOD!!! Time for California...or the entire country......NORTH AMERICA....to do the same...BAN VW DIESELS!!!

I fearlessly predict that Sergio's not too worried right now. He's probably booking a flight to Wolfsburg as we speak. Operation Eiche...but in reverse? I like that 1970s Fiat 124 that is pictured...the modern Miata based 124...the jury is still out in that one...

Well...The Quebec Nordiques SHOULD get a hockey team...because its a shame for a beautiful arena like that to go to waste... Now that the Habs finished their pre-season game...unto the Blue Jays I go to see what is happening there... EDIT: Damn...the game is over...

I had to google to find out who is Stefano Dimera Now I understand why you were ashamed to smile...and OCNBLU...you too..should be ashamed... Soap operas...*sheesh*

About Chris Elliott? He made a couple of movies in the 1990s and early to mid 2000s...What about Mary, Cabin Boy, King Pin, and a family favorite during winter days...Snow day and many others... Today? I dont really know.

To be honest..I know not much about Ford. Only what we heard of him through the news...which was...of course..the bad stuff... That is why I DONT want Harper...Quebecois and Quebec are NOT a nation within a United Canada....we are ALL effin' Canucks...no iffs, buts or ands.. No one Canadian is more Canadian then the next and no one Canadian is a special kind of Canadian...except me of course...Im special... That and the F-35....He keeps pushing it...even when the US Air Force dont want it... Yup...Greece now...has been given the tools to dig up their mess...its time for them to do some diggin' The latest talks...Tsipras made some long term decisions that should benefit Greece...and Germany and Europe actually agreed to them...and to help...but it takes Greeks to do some very heavy lifting...in their own country...something that admittedly...did not do in the past... Granted...Wars...independant freedom wars...civil wars, World Wars and foreign wars might have taken front and center...but like I keep on harpering...that is in the past...they are in the Euro-Zone...and finally, Europe is actually acting unified...

I love Chris Elliott. I used to watch David Letterman on NBC in the 1980s and loved it when Elliott was a guest...but I dont remember this show...

- Euro-Zone wanted Greece...or else Greece would not have gotten in... - non-industrial small countries... This I agree...but...pertaining to Greece...Greece is in the Euro-Zone...what did the Euro-Zone do to help protect Greece from a world wide bank melt down? The first austerity measures were put into place to help German Banks get outta trouble through the backs of Greeks... With that aside...what else did the Euro-Zone do to not only to help Greece...but Spain, Italy, Portugal? Let us not forget that Spain and Italy actually do have industry.... And what is France's problem? You know...France is almost in the same danger as Greece...but they actually build shyte...and they also sell military hardware to anybody that wants to buy it... Yeah..I know...socialism... Quebec...social programs....actually...THAT is NOT what is KILLING Quebec...1 million plus Anglos leaving...many HQ corporations leaving Montreal to go to Toronto...because of the threat of separation and language laws... Ontario...WTF is their problem? I dont know...Mayor Ford spent all that Ontario money on hookers and cocaine? When the Province of Quebec and Montreal were THE economy of Canada...all things were well...and THAT includes Quebec GIVING to the West...so...the West MIGHT AS WELL GIVE BACK to the East today... As far as Mulcair and Trudeau go...I wish one was Layton and the other Pierre Elliot....but since both are no longer with us...like you...both names will not be crossed off...I need to see which of the two corresponds with my vision of Canada better... Quebec is on its way again...thanx to Couillard and Montreal too thanx to Mr Mayor Coderre...

Like I said....you have no clue to why Greece's economy has failed...that are MANY reasons... I aint blaming SOLELY Germany and NOT blaming Greeks and their decisions...but Germany's banks have had a stranglehold on Greece's economy for a loooong time... I aint hatin' on the rich... No where did I say I hate the rich... You like to assume... This is why you cant grasp the knowledge of why Greece's economy failing...you assume what you hear is correct...but dont care to learn the REAL truth... You could give a pass corrupt corporate culture...and THAT is why in 2015 the planet is in the shytes...because YOU blindly defend the decisions some bankrupted morally individuals are doing... No...I aint better than them...the thing is...my restaurant is run MORE ethically than VW execs...am I perfect? NO! To say that I hate the rich...DUDE...I OWN A RESTAURANT...IM A BUSINESSMAN...You cant get more capitalist than that!!! I wanna know though... Is how Capitalism gets confused with I CAN DO WHATEVER THE PHOQUE I WANT, THE PHOQUE WITH WHAT THE LAWS SAYS AND THE PHOQUE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES? THAT my friend is NOT what capitalism is... A TRUE capitalist RESPECTS the LAWS of the land...and is MORAL and ETHICAL... A CRIMINAL is NOT a CAPITALIST... PS...You EVEN ADMITTED that to a degree...SOME socialist countries can and do succeed....so...there goes YOUR argument... PSS: Winston Churchill was HATED the first time around he paraded in office...WW2 was the reason he was loved...LEADERSHIP qualities that the other guy did not have...ans so a GREAT PM... PSSS: The United States of America has MORE social programs than Canada has...

And I guess you want to equate that to Greece... You got lots to learn about why the Greek economy has failed in the Euro-Zone... Coincidently on why the German one has SOARED since 2002... France/Italy/Portugal/Spain/Greece....yup they are failing... Blame socialism all you want...that is the EASY thing to do... Like I said...it aint because Greeks are lazy...or their politicains corrupt... But its OK...you are right... Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill Just dont tell that to the Finns, Swedes, Norwegians and to a certain degree, Canadians... Hell...even NAZI GERMANY... Irony...a socialist program was called upon by Hitler for Germans to own that KDF VW Bug...

This goes back to the 1990s....and the Euro-Zone wanting Greece to be in it... Goldman and Sachs has something to do with that...as well as German Banks... And ...the Euro-Zone...unlike in Canada...where the Provinces get transfer payments from the Federal Government and where ALL Provinces pitch in...and the Federal Government does its darndest to actually try get new jobs for the country and to equally displace these new found jobs...the Euro-Zone...mainly Germany were content to brain drain Greece and just make Greece live off of their fat of the land...you know...Tourism and Feta Cheese and Olive oil... Greece is but a small country....how much olive oil do you think she makes? How much do you think Germany pays for this olive oil? How many VWs do you think Greek buy? Who builds those VWs? Fair trade? Yeah...or I should say Ja! Dont forget that Greece ALWAYS had a trade deficit... Like I said...tourism goes down...BILLION dollar industry for Greece....and Greece is KAPUT... WHat does Germany do to HELP Greece...NEIN! Raise INTEREST RATES!!! But Greeks dont work...because their economy is not an industrial one... Sure...we could blame the hundreds of years BEFORE...the Ottoman Empire...and the corrupt crooked Greek politicians...the thing is...Greece is now part of the Euro-Zone...has been since 2002...never you mind the cooking of the books that Goldman Sachs did with German banks to squeeze Greece in ofr 2002...but of course...that SOLELY FALLS ON GREECE, right? This is but a huge discussion...waaaaay beyong Volks ala Wagen... And this thread IS about Volks ala Wagen... So yeah... just as how some Americans will NEVER forgive GM/Ford/Chrysler for the 1980s/1990s and for Pinto fires and Cobalt Igntion switches and K-Cars and the bankruptcy as I will NEVER forgive VW/Mercedes for WW2 and now for VW polluting... Tit for tat is what I say... And at the end of the day...buying a Veedub aint good for OUR economy... Maybe for some models that are built in Mexico...but then again...TDi 'Clean' diesels aint so clean...

Yeah...I know.. 1918...Treaty of Versaille...leading to WW2... I understand all that... It took a helluva a looooong time for the Israelis to warm up to them Germans... Maybe this had something to do with it... Dont worry though...this Nazi argument I got going on is just for show...but not really... The Jews might have forgotten...but THIS GREEK boy hasnt... I did forget...for a little while... But the last couple of years...memories kept coming back... And all that...it aint because Greeks are corrupt people or lazy... But German corrupt banking and politics that helped Greece sink...and the promise of the FIRST AUSTERITY measures did NOTHING to help Greece but ONLY help Germany... OK..NOW I am taking this too far...but am I really? I dont feel like protecting German jobs... why? 1. Greece 2. I live in North America...Id rather buy American...Im just as proud to be Canadian as I am Greek...and Im just about as proud to wave the American flag over ANY Euro one... And knowing that VW is screwing me, lying to me...I say phoque VW...and I say it quite easily I might add...