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I understand the age and whatnot. I just think the "fix" itself is total BS. I don't think anybody should lose a feature they paid for over a recall. The recall is admitting they screwed up somewhere whether it's design or manufacturing. I'll attempt to make a bigger stink with Lincoln over this. I can't even take this serious if they can't use the correct "your" in the title's image.

You and I both, brother. I just love that class of vehicle. They're sporty, fun, practical, and not (typically) all that expensive to own/operate. They're just all around great vehicles. I'd like to say that one day I'll own a Focus RS, too. But, I know damn well I likely won't buy one. By the time I'm in a position to buy an extra car or I no longer need the extra space for a family of 4, I'd be getting something with 2 doors and a V8 anyway.

Unfortunately, no. I don't even really know who to reach out to anymore. I've reached out to Lincoln and the NHTSA. The NHTSA just says "This is what Lincoln and the NHTSA have agreed upon as a fix". Lincoln just makes a note and claims to have filed a report with the NHTSA over this issue. @Drew Dowdell, by chance, do you have a Lincoln rep I could reach out to over this matter?

Yeah, that seems like a very small amount, which does make sense. There really are not a lot of vehicle fires. The big elephant in the room is there are SOOOO many more EVs since 2017 though. These numbers are pretty irrelevant, IMO.

Have a link? Is there not a distinction between gasoline, diesel, and/or any other fuel source?? I also feel like the battery composition should be listed because not all batteries are the same either. Are these impact-related fires or "spontaneous" combustion?

Almost my entire friend group(5/8 closest male friends) has had a GTI at some point. From Mk3 to Mk7's. They've all loved them. One recently bought and still owns his mk7 and the other swapped it out got a Jetta GLI. They aren't bulletproof though. I believe they all had some issues at some point. I believe two had DSG transmission issues that were quiet expensive to repair, though not catastrophic. This was, ironically, after VW's recommended trans service interval.

Green dot is me, blue dot is where the closest dealer was.

This reminds me, the closest Cadillac dealership to me has closed. It was a standalone Caddy dealer. It was a part of an automotive group and now the lot is just a buy-used-cars-and-put-them-at-dealerships lot. The closest Caddy dealer is now over an hour away.

It would take A LOT of gasoline to equal the price of an EV motors/batteries swap though.

Um, what? Price is likely 90% determining factor when buying a vehicle. If everybody had the funds to easily afford a Tahoe/Suburban/Silverado (and their corresponding GMC, Ford and Jeep/Ram counterparts) most people would buy them, because people just like big and tall vehicles. Yes, I know not EVERYBODY would do this, but I would wager good money that this size vehicle would have well over 50% market share. He will go to pretty absurd lengths to compare an EV to ICE vehicles. I'm just surprised it wasn't compared to a Hyundai/Kia.

He's high on those EV fumes. 🤣

But then you'd be driving a Nissan...

I've always thought the CX-5 was a looker for this class of vehicle. It remains that. It's good that it grows a bit. One of my better friends has the last gen and it really is a little cramped for what it is, compared to my MKC (Escape).

Bores you? There has to be more different kinds of vehicles available today than ever before. There is damn-near something for EVERY taste.

A good example of how much cheaper charging at home is versus gasoline: I've since driven my Navigator 4801 miles, averaging 16.6mpg and have spent a total of $927.59 (averaging $3.20gal). ~1/4 of the miles and 124% of the cost. I know these aren't the same "class" or size of vehicle, but that's a very significant amount of savings. By the time I drive 19,204 miles (for simple math's sake I just multiplied 4801 by 4), I will spend roughly $3710 to your $757. That's 4.9 times more expensive for me than you. This also goes to show how quickly one can recoup money when buying an EV and the installation cost alone is paid for in one year. Just for fun I want to compare your EV9 to a Telluride AWD at 20mpg (the rated combined MPG). At 20mpg and $3.20/gal and 19,000 miles of driving, that's $3040. That's still a very significant amount of money in one year. Granted, for somebody like myself who isn't driving nearly 20k miles a year, the savings wouldn't pile on nearly as quick but, we all still get the point across. Also, my electricity rates are a little higher at 11-13c/Kw.

Okay, this is coming from a very unbiased source. I'm sure there's MORE battery life a year later than from the factory...

Now with about 1.8% less rage than a year ago!

One of my best friends bought a 2024 Silverado Trail Boss with the 6.2 and he's not too stoked about it. He hasn't' had any issues thus far, but he's very skeptical about long-term ownership. He said there's a rumor that they'll extend the warranty to 10yr/100,000 and he'd be satisfied with that, but if they don't he certainly wouldn't want to own it past his OEM warranty. I don't blame him, either. It sucks because he said he planned to keep the truck for 10 years as it's kind of a do-all for his family and him. He doesn't want to have to trade it in after 5 years because he has a good chance of needing to replace the engine. GM needs to do right by all these owners. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a64611938/chevy-silverado-tahoe-cadillac-escalade-defective-v8-recall/ "General Motors is recalling 721K full-size trucks and SUVs with the 6.2-liter V-8, as the engine might be defective; a stop-sale has also been ordered. The recall list includes popular models such as the Cadillac Escalade, Chevy Silverado 1500, and GMC Yukon—all of which are 2021–2024 models. The problem stems from internal manufacturing defects, and vehicles must pass inspection or possibly require an engine replacement. "

They're joining Toyota and General Motors. I'm not sure how the well-known issues of the 6.2 have passed over you.

Having recalls does not equate to reliable or unreliable. Those things are not mutually exclusive. A vehicle can be reliable with a ton of recalls or completely unreliable with zero recalls. A post isn't complete without a political statement by David.

Shooooot, his own EV9 has recalls. But you'd never know it from him. bEtTeR wAtCh OuT fOr Ev9's

Is 20% greater than or less than 64% degradation?

I know you're put into a corner when you'll do anything to defend your EVs and your Escalade. It's tough to admit that your Escalade isn't wore out but you're trying to say 20 year old cars are all worn out at the same time.

No, it is not. A 20 year old ICE vehicle is not losing any SIGNIFICANT amount of range or power output. So you're basically saying your Escalade is a piece of junk at this point? It's 20 years old. I think we both know it's probably pretty close to OEM status when it comes to output and range, right? Even if they aren't as simple as a good tune-up away, they are still way closer to factory output and range than a 20 year old EV will be.

Less complex auto....that needs pampering. Keep it cool, but not cold. Don't park it outside in the heat or it will degrade faster. Look for shade, especially when charging. Don't charge it too fast, or it will degrade faster. Know what battery chemistry you have because keeping the state of charge between 20% and 80% is best, unless you have a LFP battery. LFP batteries can accept full charges and last longer, possibly. There's been a study going against that, too. You and everybody else here knows I like EVs. I would love a Lightning or an R1S/R1T. I'm just not going to sit and read a BS article that tries to say EV batteries last longer than an ICE, because that's not what it's saying. It isn't saying it lasts longer than an internal combustion ENGINE. The batteries can last longer than the VEHICLE. An internal combustion ENGINE will still outlast an EV's battery. ~64% capacity after 20 years makes most anything out today worthless at 20 years old, unless you are the original owner. Nobody is buying an EV9 with ~150 miles of range in 20 years. People will still but an ICE vehicle that's 20 years old because they're almost certainly just a tune-up away from near-new running condition.