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Interesting. So they gave the regular tune to Ford and the premium tune to Lincoln. Makes sense..... I wonder if the PCM actually gives you back that horsepower in the Ford if you fill it up with 93.... Interesting. So they gave the regular tune to Ford and the premium tune to Lincoln. Makes sense..... I wonder if the PCM actually gives you back that horsepower in the Ford if you fill it up with 93.... FYI, the Navi is 91 recommended to get the 380/460. And from what I've read, yes the PCM in the F-150 will take advantage of the better fuel - the guys in the F-150 forums say yes.

First paragraph - full agreement Second paragraph - it's in the works.

The 3.5EB in the F-150/Expedition rating of 365/420 is on 87. According to F-150 forums, putting in premium adds about 20hp/40lbs-ft torque - look at the Navigator - 380/460. Only diff is fuel octane.

I wonder about The % drop for the GM 2.0L Turbo I4 Ecotec LTG Engine, since it too recommends Premium Fuel. Putting in 87 will retard timing, hurt power output and MPG. Same with GM's 3.0 and 3.6 turbos. And same thing with the 4.0L turbo V-8 coming too from GM. Hmmm

You might want to look at what ppl are getting in 2.7L EB F-150 vs 5.3 Chevy/GMC and 3.5L EB vs 6.2L Chevy/GMC. Oh there is also that 5.0L in the F-150 that puts out more HP/torque than the larger 5.3L Chevy/GMC while having higher payload and tow ratingsAnd maybe pop over to Motor Trend and look at their RealMPG section too. I've done thousands of miles in both Expeditions EL and Suburbans. My experience is that the 3.5EB in the Expedition gets the same fuel economy as the 5.3 in the Suburban..... IF you use mid-grade fuel in the Ford. If you use 87 octane, the fuel economy of the Expedition drops substantially. Sooo, the power of a big V8 and the fuel consumption of a small one. Not bad. " But the small-block’s 4100-rpm torque peak never provided the instant thrust of the Expedition’s boosted V-6, nor the pull we expected from its burly exhaust note. "

And the only reply you're worthy of is a reply c/o you ( post 77 ) " Again, BOTH the Z/28 and GT350R are overpriced in respect to the next step down variants of BOTH cars. I am really not sure what you are having a problem with here other than to try and attack me. " Again, not relevant because it's not me that made the overpriced statement in the first place. You did because you believed it is overpriced, as evidenced by your use of the term "rip off". Now that the Z28 is far cheaper, I simple asked you what you asked me. Remember, I think both were a rip off while you only think one is so just answer the simple question and stop side stepping.

And the only reply you're worthy of is a reply c/o you ( post 77 ) " Again, BOTH the Z/28 and GT350R are overpriced in respect to the next step down variants of BOTH cars. I am really not sure what you are having a problem with here other than to try and attack me. "

My argument is if one need to put 20-25k on the hood of a limited edition car to move it, obviously it was a rip of to begin with. And take a look at the as tested price in the video. It clearly shows a 10k difference. So yes, it is IN FACT correct. They don't need to put the cash on the hood. The 20% off is only available to the 10% of the dealer's stock by age.... so the 10% oldest new vehicles on the lot get that deal and GM isn't excluding the Z28 from eligibility. Let's not act like this is a deal on Z28 Specifically, because it's mostly going to be on manual transmission Cruzes and 2015 Volts. Buick did something similar last year. My Buick dealer had a Regal Premium hanging around that hadn't sold. The bought it themselves turned it into a CPO car and sold it for under MSRP while still making a healthy profit. So good luck finding even a single Z28 out there that meets ALL of these criteria and ALSO hasn't been put through the dealer trick above. And you better act fast... the 20% off ends today. Theres 9 shown right here that range from $51,913 to $55,977 http://jalopnik.com/on-black-friday-go-buy-yourself-a-camaro-z-28-with-a-r-1744593201 So, using the argument you gave a few days ago (with obvious terms reversed). "Why would someone pay 13% more ( MSRP per video ) for a GT350R that performs only marginally as well as a track car, street car and drag car ( not intended function ) compared to the Z28?" So, using the argument you gave a few days ago ( with obvious terms reversed ) " Again, BOTH the Z/28 and GT350R are overpriced in respect to the next step down variants of BOTH cars. I am really not sure what you are having a problem with here other than to try and attack me. " ( see post #77 ) And FYI. I am not sure how you can claim the GT350R " performs only marginally as well as a track car, street car and drag car ( not intended function ) compared to the Z28? " - The GT350R was better performing in EVERY aspect. Like today, you havent a clue as to what youre arguing

Maybe read what El Kabong said. He assured all it was the Camaro that was quicker. He is even saying so on M/T comment section. So I went straight to the source. Got a problem with it? Again, get your knickers out of a bunch. In case you missed it, I agreed with your claim about the 0-60 but it was clear as day on that video what it was and didn't require the lengths you went to in order to prove Bong wrong. All you were doing there was instigating another never ending argument about absolutely nothing. Again, in case you are not getting the gist and just want to continue to argue and insult me, Bong is wrong here. Actually, by asking the source, I ended the argument. Well just go ahead and give yourself that much deserved pat on the back when anyone could have seen that by watching the video itself. It only took me one viewing to see who came out ahead. Obviously not anyone/everyone.

My argument is if one need to put 20-25k on the hood of a limited edition car to move it, obviously it was a rip of to begin with. And take a look at the as tested price in the video. It clearly shows a 10k difference. So yes, it is IN FACT correct. They don't need to put the cash on the hood. The 20% off is only available to the 10% of the dealer's stock by age.... so the 10% oldest new vehicles on the lot get that deal and GM isn't excluding the Z28 from eligibility. Let's not act like this is a deal on Z28 Specifically, because it's mostly going to be on manual transmission Cruzes and 2015 Volts. Buick did something similar last year. My Buick dealer had a Regal Premium hanging around that hadn't sold. The bought it themselves turned it into a CPO car and sold it for under MSRP while still making a healthy profit. So good luck finding even a single Z28 out there that meets ALL of these criteria and ALSO hasn't been put through the dealer trick above. And you better act fast... the 20% off ends today. Theres 9 shown right here that range from $51,913 to $55,977 http://jalopnik.com/on-black-friday-go-buy-yourself-a-camaro-z-28-with-a-r-1744593201

Maybe read what El Kabong said. He assured all it was the Camaro that was quicker. He is even saying so on M/T comment section. So I went straight to the source. Got a problem with it? Again, get your knickers out of a bunch. In case you missed it, I agreed with your claim about the 0-60 but it was clear as day on that video what it was and didn't require the lengths you went to in order to prove Bong wrong. All you were doing there was instigating another never ending argument about absolutely nothing. Again, in case you are not getting the gist and just want to continue to argue and insult me, Bong is wrong here. Actually, by asking the source, I ended the argument.

My argument is if one need to put 20-25k on the hood of a limited edition car to move it, obviously it was a rip of to begin with. And take a look at the as tested price in the video. It clearly shows that 10k difference is IN FACT correct. It is not a rip off. That is pure opinion on your part. Guess when dealers offer $12K off on a new F-150, it must be a rip off too, based on your logic. Remember, this is not Chevrolet offering this deals. These were from select dealers. Man, you can't even handle it when I agree with you so unless you have something productive to say to me for once, don't bother replying. And yes you are correct about the $10K difference. I was referencing a page that was not correct. Sue me. F-150....You are really reaching now.

My argument is if one need to put 20-25k on the hood of a limited edition car to move it, obviously it was a rip of to begin with. And take a look at the as tested price in the video. It clearly shows a 10k difference. So yes, it is IN FACT correct.

Maybe read what El Kabong said. He assured all it was the Camaro that was quicker. He is even saying so on M/T comment section. So I went straight to the source. Got a problem with it?

Thought I'd share this. I emailed Megan Stewart - she worked on the H2H video. There is a direct link to her on M/T's GT350R vs Z/28 page " Hi, I have a question. And maybe you could look into or have the answer. I have a bet with my buddy on which car hit 0-60mph in 3.9seconds ( I picked the GT350R ) and which hit in 4.0seconds. It’s a bit hard to tell in the video – II picked GT350 because it was always ahead and when the time 3.9seconds pooped up on screen, the camera panned to the Shelby etc . " Her reply was... Hi XXXX, You’re right. The Mustang was the faster of the two. The camera work was weird for that section of the video. - Megan

20k on the hood is ridiculous on a limited HiPo special edition car. Without a doubt if a certain other company did that with one of their limited HiPo special edition car, even one at the end of its cycle, we'd never hear the end of it. Either flooded the niche market or over priced.

20k on the hood is ridiculous on a limited HiPo special edition car. Without a doubt if a certain other company did that with one of their limited HiPo special edition car, even one at the end of its cycle, we'd never hear the end of it.

I now wait for your apology for the lashing out at me.

Thank you. And yes. Stupid argument. I've posted, and you also, evidence of BRAND NEW mid 50k Z/28's Not sure why he's arguing otherwise.

Why do you skip over the jalopnik link that I've posted that shows BRAND NEW Z/28's for low mid 50k?

This this this. And with GM having to knock off 20k to move Z/28's off the lots, the bean counters may think twice about making another Z/28. ( Ford had no issues moving the Boss 302's - used ones are going for a premium.) http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=358117636 Okay, so I'm going to be a liar this one time because your post is just out in deep left field here. Show us where Chevrolet is offering $20K off of a NEW no longer in production Z28. Let me help you with that. http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-z28-track-car.html As a matter of fact, here is the current offer on the Z28. "Finance 0% APR for 72 months Plus $1,000 Purchase Bonus Cash" For the record, with a current price of $72K, I am pretty sure it never was $92K and if you are referring to what Dingo said a few days ago, then you clearly were not paying attention to what he said. Now, regarding your 302 claim, I guess it's real easy to make your claim when you pick the highest priced one by a private seller (never mind the one 5,000 miles on it hence the stupid price). Now here is one from a dealer with average miles. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=85345&endYear=2016&modelCode1=MUST&showcaseOwnerId=73009&startYear=1981&makeCode1=FORD&listingType=used&listingTypes=used&searchRadius=50&showcaseListingId=410630270&trim1=MUST%7CBoss+302&mmt=%5BFORD%5BMUST%5BMUST%257CBoss%2B302%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=412060730&Log=0 We have been told over and over again, that the Z/28 is in the low/mid 50k's... Thats why I said knock 20k off... 72k-20k = low/mid 50k.... Seems you have not been paying attention. So you did not pay attention to the fact that he said that you can get a USED one for $50-55K. There is a big difference there having known that ONE fact. Now, having said that, the cheapest USED Z/28 in my area is $61K with two others fetching $67K and $70K respectively, so again I say, you are the one that needs to pay attention to what is being said. Take a look at the link I added. http://jalopnik.com/on-black-friday-go-buy-yourself-a-camaro-z-28-with-a-r-1744593201 And I do not recall Frisky saying " used " either. Can you link me to it?

This this this. And with GM having to knock off 20k to move Z/28's off the lots, the bean counters may think twice about making another Z/28. ( Ford had no issues moving the Boss 302's - used ones are going for a premium.) http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=358117636 Okay, so I'm going to be a liar this one time because your post is just out in deep left field here. Show us where Chevrolet is offering $20K off of a NEW no longer in production Z28. Let me help you with that. http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-z28-track-car.html As a matter of fact, here is the current offer on the Z28. "Finance 0% APR for 72 months Plus $1,000 Purchase Bonus Cash" For the record, with a current price of $72K, I am pretty sure it never was $92K and if you are referring to what Dingo said a few days ago, then you clearly were not paying attention to what he said. Now, regarding your 302 claim, I guess it's real easy to make your claim when you pick the highest priced one by a private seller (never mind the one 5,000 miles on it hence the stupid price). Now here is one from a dealer with average miles. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=85345&endYear=2016&modelCode1=MUST&showcaseOwnerId=73009&startYear=1981&makeCode1=FORD&listingType=used&listingTypes=used&searchRadius=50&showcaseListingId=410630270&trim1=MUST%7CBoss+302&mmt=%5BFORD%5BMUST%5BMUST%257CBoss%2B302%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=412060730&Log=0 We have been told over and over again, that the Z/28 is in the low/mid 50k's... Thats why I said knock 20k off... 72k-20k = low/mid 50k.... Seems you have not been paying attention. EDIT: make that 25k off http://jalopnik.com/on-black-friday-go-buy-yourself-a-camaro-z-28-with-a-r-1744593201

This this this. And with GM having to knock off 20k to move Z/28's off the lots, the bean counters may think twice about making another Z/28. ( Ford had no issues moving the Boss 302's - used ones are going for a premium.) http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=358117636

But the metric you mentioned in your original post on this was: Also, you have me wanting to go over to Fuelly to see what kind of real-world MPG ppl are getting, say, in a 3.5 EB F-150 v. a 5.3 and 6.2 Chevy/GMC. If it was overall sample, then that would include N/A 3.5L/3.7L V-6's, the a fore mentioned 5.0L and 6.2L. That is why I went one step further and actually looked at specific engine pkg's.

Unlike your NEW GT/NEW Camaro bit, there was nothing snide about my comment. Well, that's open to debate. To say the least. But as I said previously, this Head2Head is probably not a good thing to be crowing about so much. As far as your off-topic mention of the R&T drivers car thing, there was a guy who wrote a piece on the Camaro SS. He said that ya, the Mustang won, but that was before he drove the Camaro. Dun-dun-dun. It shouldn't be open for debate. Snide this, snide that will turn this into a train wreck. As far as me mentioning the R&T PCOTY Win. Well it does encompass one of the vehicles this here thread and the H2H Topic...Camaro SS, nope.