FordCosworth

I dunno about that.. When they show 0-60 @ 3.9, the camera is focused on GT350R, when the show 0-60 @ 4.0, the camera is looking at the Z/28, all while the Shelby keeps pulling away.But focus on some dyno graph. I'll focus on the better track time, better 1/4 mile time and speed, better street car all at a better MSRP.

Everyone and their dog knows a chassis dyno is in no shape or form an accurate way to measure crank HP. And 75 grand and you lose a stoplight Grand Prix to a GT350R and Alpha SS. And as Randy put it ( see minute 15:17 ) a little bit numb at its limit.

Yes it was. Especially once ALL the numbers came in.

Again, for the last time, read what I actually said instead of what you think I said Cosworth. The answer is in there. I'm not going to walk you through it.I did read what you said. And I'm using what you said as the basis for my question, which is still unanswered.Again, it is answered. Teach yourself.Now, about the video (instead of the poster)... Ah. That video. Which has a 66k car beating a 76k car.Odd you now play the " make it about the post, not poster " when you made it about yourself when you brought into this " what YOU'D buy ". Your lack of context and comprehension is evident and not my problem because you want to pick and choose what part of the conversation to make your argument. Now about the video... Your comment was easy to comprehend. Now it's the old classic " do as I say, not do ". As in I threw your logic back in your face and now you flop around like a fish outa water.

Again, for the last time, read what I actually said instead of what you think I said Cosworth. The answer is in there. I'm not going to walk you through it.I did read what you said. And I'm using what you said as the basis for my question, which is still unanswered. Again, it is answered. Teach yourself.Now, about the video (instead of the poster)... Ah. That video. Which has a 66k car beating a 76k car.Odd you now play the " make it about the post, not poster " when you made it about yourself when you brought into this " what YOU'D buy ".

Again, for the last time, read what I actually said instead of what you think I said Cosworth. The answer is in there. I'm not going to walk you through it. I did read what you said. And I'm using what you said as the basis for my question, which is still unanswered.

^^^^^ Way to say a lot while not answering my question. Are you really equating asking you a question as attacking?

Where are these brand new 15 - 20k of the 75k MSRP Z/28's?

So GM is putting 20k on the hood?

And what Ford has 95% of that for a "fraction of the price"? Seriously? A $49K GT350 instead of a decked out GT350R costing over $66K is which Ford. And the fraction is somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 less. That's what I thought you would say. Now, having said that, if it has 95% of what the GT350R has then why would anyone pay 1/4 to 1/3 more for 1/20 more of a car? Why would someone pay 13% more ( MSRP per video ) for a Z/28 that doesn't perform as well as a track car, street car and drag car ( not intended function ) compared to the GT350R? Since you just jumped in without reading the follow up to that reply, I will just that maybe you should read what I said afterwards to Wings. Let me help you out so it doesn't take up too much of your valuable time. And I quote, "BTW, I have never said that I would prefer a Z/28 over any other variant of the Camaro so why you think it is relevant, I do not know. I do know this, I would not by a Z/28 over a SS1LE, just the same as I would not buy a GT350R over a stock GT350 for the same reasons that you just perfectly illustrated. The difference between me and you on this is that you have no problem with the performance to dollar ratio gap going on here but you would only do it for one car as opposed to either car as I do." BTW, if you think that the GT350R is actually going to sell for MSRP, as opposed to the obvious $10K minimum mark up that will occur, then I have some wonderful oceanfront property in Montana to sell you. I could care less what YOU would buy. You said " if it has 95% of what the GT350R has then why would anyone pay 1/4 to 1/3 more for 1/20 more of a car? " Using your line of questioning, I'll ask again, why would someone purchase a 13% more expensive Z/28 over a GT350R that performs better on the street, track and strip while costing less?

And what Ford has 95% of that for a "fraction of the price"? Seriously? A $49K GT350 instead of a decked out GT350R costing over $66K is which Ford. And the fraction is somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 less. That's what I thought you would say. Now, having said that, if it has 95% of what the GT350R has then why would anyone pay 1/4 to 1/3 more for 1/20 more of a car? Why would someone pay 13% more ( MSRP per video ) for a Z/28 that doesn't perform as well as a track car, street car and drag car ( not intended function ) compared to the GT350R?

You can buy a new Z/28 for low 50k when they retail for 70+K? In this video MSRP 66k for GT350R and 76k for Z/28

a thread about how the GT350R is the better street car, better track car, and better ( even though neither are designed for it ) dragster.

GT350R Better.

I like the idea of the MKZ getting a Driver’s Package Option that adds torque-vectoring capability to the all-wheel-drive system with hardware borrowed from the Focus RS.

The details are already known. And yes, you were talking about me - to the admin/mod. Its a user name, get over it. That is the verdict.

Yes, I have PM'd you. But only as a response/reply to your PM to me.

Its a user name. Get over it

Camaro? Wrong thread

Each generation gets better looking.

Wow! Looks great. And torque vectoring AWD and 400HP. It's on my consideration list now.

You're welcome. Just trying to help the mislead and misinformed. Because by not knowing the limits, insurance and warranty could then be void.

Next time you go to drive, check the door frame. It'll tell you. Then you can calculate it's real tow rating

What's the GVW rating? 6900lbs? That's the true gage for towing limits. What's the GVW rating? 6800 - 6900lbs? That's the true gage for towing limits.

" The Rebel had a full tank of gas and an empty bed and cab, and weighed in at 5,900 pounds. We then subtracted 5,900 from 6,800 pounds ( Gross Vehicle Weight ) to get our 900-pound payload figure. Our test Rebel's door label showed 947 pounds of payload capacity. (You can find a midsize or half-ton pickup's manufacturer payload number on a label inside the driver's side door.) All this is interesting because we were told the short-bed Rebel crew cab (with a Hemi V-8 and a RamBox) had a towing capacity of around 10,000 pounds. That seemed odd to us, because it doesn't follow the Society of Automotive Engineers' J2807 standard requirement of 10 percent of towing capacity for the recommended tongue weight. Following that formula, the Rebel's 10,000 pounds of towing capacity would have put us 100 pounds over our 900-pound max payload capacity, and that's before adding a driver, passenger or cargo. We should also note that SAE J2807 criteria recommends, before adding tongue weight, adding 300 pounds for passengers as well as 25 to 65 pounds for the receiver and trailer hitch or weight-distributing hitch. Discarding a 9,000- or 10,000-pound trailer capacity for the Rebel and backing into what the real towing capacity should be based on the SAE requirements, here's what we get: Using 900 pounds of calculated payload capacity and subtracting 300 pounds for passengers leaves us with 600 pounds or so of payload. That means a maximum towing capacity of 6,000 pounds if we use the SAE-recommended 10 percent tongue weight number. But that assumes we can't or won't add any cargo to the bed or carry any passengers in the backseat. If we add a few passengers and cargo, we're down to 300 pounds or less of payload capacity. Does that mean real-world towing capacity — based on the SAE J2807 recommendations — of around 3,000 pounds for a full-size half-ton pickup truck with a V-8? " http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2015/10/a-weighty-issue-calculating-real-world-payload-towing-capacities.html