[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
Hey Chief, no disrespect, like I said I grew up around many teachers, they were everywhere in my life. BUT- that old babysitter routine is old and very tacky, I heard it so many times, its like the teachers swan song. "lets do the baby sitter math"
[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 8, 2005, 8:24 PM']
Hey razor, no disrespect, but I did not belittle your UAW workers at all. You did, however, disrespect mine and Paolino's entire profession. Those are your views, and that is fine. However you make it seem like they all complain about not getting paid enough, and not getting enough benefits. That is not true. They aren't all that way. Maybe they are in your rural area. They are not in mine.
[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
52,000 is excellent pay.........is it not?????????? if not, I really need a raise because its more than double anything Ive ever made working 50 weeks a year.
Its a salary, its 52,000 per year, its not dont get paid during summer. Its 52,000 per year.
then you have no benefits......right........ <_< , so the package = how much? Ok never mind
[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 8, 2005, 8:24 PM']
I am not complaining about my salary. I didnt say anywhere in the post that it is not enough to live off of, or that I should get more. I never said that. My salary is beans compared to the seven plus figures that I am worth. I don't do it for the money. Some teachers, however, are not as fortunate as I am. Just because they chose that career, and do what they do for our country and society, shouldnt mean they should take a vow of poverty. I dont believe that it is a bunch of BS that teachers say this. In the state where I live, teachers have a good chunk of their money go into their retirement, so that is about $10,000 less per year to live on. That is a big chunk if you are starting out making $30,000/year. So, dont judge me as a typical teacher. My financial situation is completely different, and I am not the type of person who wants anyone to feel sorry for them, so you can just leave me out of the general teacher's conception you have right there.
Yes, the job has very good benefits. I'm lucky enough to be in a suburban district with great benefits. I never even mentioned my benefits because I take it for granted
Oh, another thing about my salary. That includes a master's degree that I paid for myself, as well as all of my professional development classes that I paid for myself. No districts around here help teachers improve their careers or get their graduate degree. I paid $40,000 for that, and I am required to get it in my district, so that is another expense added to a teacher's budget.
[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
Chief, you know and I know that most people dont want to be teachers anymore because there is no disipline in schools, children and teenagers are unruley and no one can deal with it because, well they cant deal with it. Children have the rights today, children rule and adults hang their heads. There are lots of people that would like to make that kind of money and benes, its got nothing to do with the money, its the modern rules and laws that protect nasty kids.
I think I said it was a good gig and I dont feel sorry for them. I think I said their job includes lots and lots of time off. I know, when my father was a teacher he worked for a tree surgeon during vacations, but he also built his own home, himself, plus a camp and various other things like going to college for his masters to become an adminstrator. These are not things that are possible for most other occupations especially the majority population that lives below the standard of the teachers that work in their childrens school.
[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
You know, you talk about summers off and holidays off. You must not have read what I had to say about professional development classes that take the entire summer and all of the preparation that teachers do in their free time, not to mention the money out of their pocket they spend on children who do not have what they need for school. Yes, that includes clothes, lunch, hair brushes, shampoo, toothpaste, toothbrushed, etc. I guess that is just "old and tacky" too since you make it sound like my entire argument is an excuse for teachers to get paid what they do. Of course, just because one wants to become a teacher, does not mean they should take a vow of poverty.
Another thing, summers off does not mean no work. I've spent many hours in professional development classes that were required for me to keep my certificate current. I still have to do those stupid classes to keep my certificate current, even with a master's degree. It will never end. Some of those workshops are 8 hours a day, and if you take 3-4 a summer when you are away from the classrom it costs about $2,000 to $4,000 as well as makes you busier than you are when you have the kids in the classroom. So I woulnd't exactly call that summers off, at least not in the state I live in with such strict certification rules.
[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
I would like to leave everyone with another old time famous cleche giving by school systems at budget voting time.
"Give us a raise because its an investment in your childrens future."
but....if you paid attention in school you would know how to read between the lines and see that it really says....
"give us a raise so we can invest in our future" :o
[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 8, 2005, 8:24 PM']
What is wrong with teachers wanting to invest in their own future? I know I want what is best for me. I think Paolino wants what is best for him. What is wrong with that? Doesnt everyone want what is best for themselves?
[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
No offence Chief and Paulie, just putting things in perspective.
[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 8, 2005, 8:24 PM']
Yeah, your perspective. It strikes me as odd that you grew up in a "schooling family", yet you seem to take a stance against teachers in your area. That surprises me. Maybe your local districts are screwed up. I dont know.
Onces again I have known many great people that were teachers and other various duties in the school system as well as a few college people.
[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 8, 2005, 8:24 PM']
What does the fact that you know people in education have to do with your attacks at the teaching profession?
[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
I did not say teachers suck and should be destroyed and should work for the wages of India, Korea, China so their schools "can be competitive" Hey!!!!!!! Theres an idea.........oh never mind.
[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 7, 2005, 8:24 PM']
Nobody said you said teachers suck out right. You just generalized teachers as a whining, complaining group of people who supposedly have their summers off, every holiday off, good benefits, and tons of free time." As a teacher, I wanna know where all that free time is, because I sure havent had any since I went back to teaching this fall.
[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:34 PM']
BTW Chief - you teach 105 students every hour ? Sorry I had to call you on that one. Wanna take your school budget and divide it by student population and then we'll talk. It makes college look cheap.
[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 8, 2005, 8:24 PM']
I did not say that I taught 105 students every hour. You must have misunderstood my word problem. I have 105 students in all of my classes that I teach one hour per day. I have 7 classes because I choose not to take on any prep periods. I thought you could figure that out being so smart as to talk down to me and Paulie about our profession. Oh, and next time, don't single me out. I was just trying to prove my point just like you were, and I never mentioned your name, so if you want to "call me out on the carpet, do it in a PM."
Oh, and this is just my opinions. If it wasnt for teachers, the man who invented the car probably wouldn't have learned enough science, math, and engineering to do so. So, basically, if it wasnt for teachers, there would be no UAW because there would be no cars for people to build, hence no union to protect those workers.
Chief
