Intrepidation

Toyota: Moving Forward (until the frame breaks). Oh what a feeling! Ask someone you know who drives one!

Also, I'm amazed that, as boring as it is, a Corolla thread has made it to page 6.

Hey FOG, nice new avatar...didn't recognize you at first.

Well the Aveo is worse than the Cobalt in pretty much every way. Now if you said Echo buyers are stupid, I would agree with you wholeheartedly.

This is flawed logic. Of course there are better cars to choose from, and there are also worse cars, and some of those worse cars GM sells right now. So are people stupid for buying them? I'm going by objectivity, not subjectivity, as has been my stance for the whole thread.

Here's another.

I'd rather it stay Focus personally.

You sure can. I know K&N makes one.

It's the broad generalization you made that has me so irked, especially since you know we have a GM copy of one. It's not a lousy choice is you want reliable transportation and don't want or need a sporty car. The Cobalt (save for the SS) is aimed at the very same audience, but it certainly doesn't do a better job from an objective standpoint.

Oh dude, I'll have possibly 2 Shadows, Prizm, the Intrepid, a 300M, a 300ZX twin turbo, and hopefully a `71 Satellite Sebring in addition to the new cars I want. :wink: I'm gonna need a BIG garage.

I would have to look it up, but I would bet closer to 2011, since it's still under development and they have to retool the truck plants.

Ford confirmed the next gen Focus would be global, so yes we are finally getting it. As long as they keep the Fiesta looking and handling exactly liek teh Euro Fiesta, a 5 door is my feature parked next to my future Challenger R/T. But oh wait! I ant a small car! I must be STOOPEED

Bias, ignorant, unwilling to except that not everyone has the same view. Describe as you will, the end result is the same.

It's true that Malibu is still on the narrow side for teh class, but the Impala is also a size class above teh Malibu...so it should be bigger.

That doesn't make people stupid for buying or owning one. It's just their choice and their priorities.

Yep...that was a class beater. Too bad we go this instead:

Funny thing is that the Prizm has no rattles in it even after spending half of its life on dirt and gravel roads, and the rest in our lovely, pot hole ridden streets in NE. I would never shop for a new Corolla, I too would go for the VW or the Mazda...because that's more my cup of tea (maybe the Civic coupe and possible the Forte Koup if it drives well). I would also consider a Cruze if it's not dumbed down for us. However for small cars I want a Fiesta.

See, and now look at it this way. The Corolla was already better in the mid 90's than teh Cavalier, and then as the Corolla was redesigned twice, the Cavalier was only given a half assed MCE and left to rot. So yeah, it certainly earned a reputation for being a better car...now the Domestics have to work through years of that to be seen by average people as being quality cars. The problem is what they offer doesn't even match that yet. The Cobalt is better in SS for, but what about the regular models? There's the ugly Focus, and Dodge doesn't even have a small sedan. Let's not even get started on the trying to beat the Civic. They are funky but excellent, quality small cars. It'll take until the Cruze and new Focus come here to hopefully, finally, beat them...but then they have decades of perception issue to work through.

I don't personally like the current Corolla...it looks like a melted version of the last gen, which looks like a bloated version of the gen before that. I just really despise how people think that because you own a type of car you're a lesser person. Not everyone wants 68973421325324.6 horsepower from 98 cylinders and a 2 speed manual, 6 frames under the body and with no pillars. Or maybe they have one already and just want a daily driver?

Doesn't the current LWB Malibu have less interior volume than the last gen SWB Malibu?

They already have remember?

Hey I've got few... People who live in the past are stupid People who only buy American made even if it's not made in America and the product is inferior are stupid. People who are too blinded by their emotional attachments to brands to see the bigger picture are stupid. See? I can be an asshole too.

Well because they all slot into categories: subcompact, compact, midsize, full size. GM would have either 2 mid size or 2 full size under one brand.

Some peopel just think that everyone should have V8's and RWD and if they don't they are lesser people because of it. Friend of mine has a `93 Corolla. Why? Because he just wants cheap transportation so he can put money into his motorcycle. But he's a lesser person because he is more into motorcycles than cars. We have the Prizm because it was basically given to Jessica, and is frugal, fairly reliable, cheap t insure, and serves as a commuter car while say, my car is in pieces as I build it up. But We're stupid.

So we're stupid because we have one. Boy that's an intelligent assessment.