Intrepidation

I'm going to finish my door handle upgrade, at 3 or 6 a friend is coming over and we're gonna work on installing some 3M protective film. Oh and I really need to clean the Prizm.

SAmadei, I was referring to the current lineup, not ever car in the past. If you want to go down that route, there's a hell of a lot more $h!boxes than performance cars we can list (we've got a thread dedicated to it). At any rate, you guys know that GM has the power to bring the brand back as a performance niche brand (What it should be anyway) when it has...you know...money. Since Pontiac is party of BPG dealer's won't have to close because they'll still have BG. If GM saw fit when the economy got better and they had actual money and a strong company again, they could bring it back to the BG dealers.

Quick! everyone pull out a tape measure and measure your wheel gaps!

I think Pontiac had a lot of potential, and had a few good cars recently the upheld to it's ideal image, but the brandhas been dragged through the mud so much over teh decades that it's mostly a rebadge brand anyway...I just don't see how you wouldn't buy another GM since most of them you'll find at other brands anyway. It's like if Chrysler shuttered Dodge...sure I'd be upset but I would still support the company, especially if the end result means a stronger, better company.

So if you consider the Camaro "bland" what the hell do you consider aggressive? A G6 with bugs bunny teeth and a big wing? I can't think of many cars...nothing under 50k that are anywhere near as aggressive, and certainly nothing Pontiac has to offer. Your argument about the Cobalt brings Pontiac further into question. Ok, it's a sleeper...but it has aggressive performance the "performance" division's clone doesn't. The G6 has had plenty of time, and a "MCE" to fix it's shortcomings. Your argument seems to be based on a GM brand strategy that hasn't really existed for decades. Times have changed and Chevy can fill the performance and the everyman group at the same time. Pontiac is a joke to most people besides the G8 (which could easily be an Impala replacement) and the Solstice, which you can find over at your Saturn dealer.

You're looking at it wrong. Chevy is not "cheapest" anymore. They are the everyman brand. That doesn't mean they are cheap. Have you taken a good look at a G6 and a Malibu lately? In every possible way the Malibu is a better, higher quality car. Have you seen the Camaro lately? Would you not call that aggressive? How about the Cobalt SS? The G5 doesn't even have a GXP version to match that. Lest we forget the Corvette. Chevy can be everything to everyone except luxury...and that's where Cadillac and Buick come in.

Better late than never!

dude.

Sales wise I was referring to the regular CTS...I don't know teh exact numbers, but i recall it was doing very well. If you want to see proof of the "world beater" status of the V, just check out some comparisons...like this one.

I'm not going to buy a new car until I have the funds to physically hand them the money for it. I don't want payments. I want my car to be mine the moment I sign the papers and drive it off the lot. Until then I am more than happy with my cars

Curse you!! *shakes fist*

Why do you have to get rid of it?

I would only if the buckets are better and the brake pedal doesn't suck anymore.

By switching to Geico!

I'm going to agree with balthazar for the most part with the exception of the Escalade. It's more differentiated than the last one but you can still tell it's based on a Tahoe. The CTS, especially in V form, is a world beater, and almost outsold the 3 series or whatever was #1 in sales in the segment before the market crapped out. I don't know how it's selling compared to others right now.

Go aftermarket?

Actually it's pretty close....you could call it a draw.

I just picked up my 3.5 HO engine and plan to go get an oil cooler. What is this "cost cutting" horse $h! you speak of?

I was going to make a joke about some buzzbomber Honda engine but then I realized 2.0 liters is too big for a Honda engine.

Special performance mod. The 4 tires and 2 heavy duty straps are key to making it work. It also sounds better.

This is madness!

Since some people seem to not be able to find this thread before starting their own... I'm going to pin this thread, since it's on page 72 and remains active.

I'm sad that GM couldn't get it's ass in gear 15 years ago and make Pontiac into a strong brand. If they had, it wouldn't be getting the axe.

Damn right I would consider a Genesis, it's a RWD 2+2 sports car that isn't half-assed in any way. It's a genuine driver's car. Much more than the sad excuse for EXCITEMENT!!!!!!!! that the G6 coupe is. I respect Hyundai/Kia because every successive model they create has been leaps and bound better than the one it replaced. With Pontiac, it's always one step forward and to steps back. For every Solstice you have a Torrent, a G6. For every G8 you have a Cobalt and a f@#king Aveo. It's been like this for years and that's sickening. Nevertheless I have said multiple times (for those who have poor memory) that I plan to own a G8 at some point (preferably a GXP but I bet teh value of those will skyrocket).

You're joking right? Both the Mercedes and the Cadillac have distinct design languages. Only a blind person wouldn't be able to tell what brand they belong to. That's like saying you can't tell what a Corvette, a Mustang, a Continental GT, a Zonda are without the badge. Pontiac doesn't have a design language. The closest they came was with the Solstice and that was one car. The rest are defined by a split in the grill and hood scoops.