Intrepidation

Well I mean, we could take it a step further and say the CC is like whatever the hell Mercedes calls it's "4-door coupe" I would kind of give you the front, but not the back, and even then I wouldn't say it looks like it that much The detailing is all completely different, as are the shapes of the grille, intakes, headlights, etc. I like both, of course I like the CC because it reminds me of an Intrepid from the side profile.

Nah, if anything it reminds me of an X6's butt. only better looking.

How about a Cobalt? It's the same damn thing as a G5 anyway. +1 on the Astra.

That's pretty clever!

Some people also have a holier than thou attitude.

black Pontiac G8 GT

Volume may be volume but the consequences of fleet sales is lower resale value and profit margins, as well as doing nothing to help the brand's image.

Absolutely!

Yes, I noticed that little issue with the G. It's not pixalation but a weird annoyingly with the stroke. I fixed it, I just have to update the banners. As for the text, I'm guessing you mean the slogan. I went for black with a white stroke because it works with every banner color and is easy to read. If I added the metallic gradient it would have been hard to read. I thought about using blue to match GM's logo color, but it didn't go well with say, the red Holden banner. I did not get an emo vibe.

But it's still an issue of square peg in round-sh hole. Although that is much better than most units. Thanks for the link Z! I posted this on allpar, they tell me the 4-disc units are notorious for being easy to break, and that the redesigned 6-discs are a lot better. I'll just put my factory unit back in for now...plus with the changer in there I loose the storage cubby that I use to keep my phone and mp3 player in.

So if it can build the Camaro and the Impala I see no reason why it couldn't build the Caprice instead of the Impala with retooling.

This is true, and where companies like Toyota, Honda, and more recently Chrysler shine with their flexible manufacturing systems.

So I swung by the auto auction Wednesday for fun and to see what they had. Most of teh stuff wasn't of any interest, but an `03 Nissan Altima 2.5 V6 did catch my eye. I decided to spend some quality time with it and see what it was like. Overall the car was in good shape. Engine ran well, interior was clean and in good shape besides a cubby door forward of the shifter that wouldn't close. Exterior was in good shape save the yellowed headlights. Fired it up, revved it some, pooped the hood and gave it a walk around. Everything looked and sounded good. They have a pretty big area where you can test drive the cars, and get them up o 40-50 mph at full throttle before having to stop. It's also wide enough to test the handling. I pulled out of the parking spot and drove it towards the track. When I got to the entrance I came to s stop, then mashed the throttle. This sucker ca move! I also didn't notice any torque steer. Plenty of wheel spin before the tires found traction, but once they did it was off like a rocket. I made it to 56mph before running out of space, so I did an emergency stop. Brake feel is good and the car felt well controlled as it came to a stop with no fuss or drama. The ABS worked well without being bothersome. After I did a coupe more runs (for fun), I tossed it around to see how the body motions were controlled. Pretty good I would say, certainly better than most family sedans of the era and better than some now. The ride is pretty firm but not harsh. Steering has actual feedback and good weighting, as well as being pretty accurate. Brake and accelerator pedals are easy to modulate and have good feel too. It's definitely a car for people who like to drive. After I was done flogging it I poked around the interior. First thing I'll say is that it's cheap. I know it was a big complaint with the pre MCE Altima like this one. Most of the dash is hard plastic as are the door panels, and it looks and feels cheap. Being gray didn't help matters either. However there was fabric padding where it mattered. Also, while being cheap, it was no where near as cheap as the horrible interior of the Grand Prix I drove that day. The seats were comfortable and ergonomic were generally good. All of the controls were easy to reach and intuitive to use. I especially liked the auto up and down windows for both the driver and passenger. The gauges were easy to read and looked pretty cool. Stereo sounded fine...nothing amazing but not bad either. Backseat room is pretty good too, although at 6"1 my knees did touch the seatback of the driver's seat when it was moved all the way back. Trunk space is ample. As for the exterior, I have no complaints really. I've always liked the look of this generation and the dual exhausts are a nice touch. Overall I would recommend this car if you're looking for a used family hauler and place driving enjoyment and power over the nicest interior. Pros: Acceleration Handling Exterior Styling Roomy Cons: Cheap interior Back seat a little tight for taller people.

Dude, a few weeks ago I saw a Focus done up with Mustang stripes and "Fustang" on the back.

That is indeed true. If the economy doesn't pick up all 3 face oblivion and the fallout from such an event would be catastrophic.

Think of it as an investment, it means it will last longer before needed to be upgraded/replaced.

One thing that no one can deny is that if you look at Ford VS GM, Ford has managed to get a hell of a lot more done in the four years Mullally's been in than GM (or Chrysler). Ford has a plan Mullally has shown leadership and the ability to make decisive action Commitment to utilizing Ford Europe's resources and creating truly excellent, global products Taking the existing product, and working with what they've got to make them excellent (Mustang, Fusion) Setting themselves up so they don't need to be begging for government aid I could elaborate more but you get the general idea. While I certainly don't blame Rick for all of the companies problem,s you just have to look at Ford to see how much they've changed and improved since Mullally took them hell to see that much more could have been done at GM. -- Second warning though, keep it civil guys. Heated discussion is fine, but not personal attacks.

Reach out and touch faith!

Dogs have their own personal Jesus!

I almost fell out of my chair laughing! :rotflmao:

This is what I got Googling "oh teh noes"

C Have your cake and eat it too. The fact that my OS is 32 bit is the main reason I want to upgrade the OS, limited to 2.75 gigs of RAM is poop.

When was the last time that phase could be used?