balthazar

Met this dude Saturday: while I was out back building this wall/door for my container:

^ Very unlike you, 'blu, but I like! - - - - - Noodlin' around :

That is not going to save Fiat.

OK, but I still don’t think that’s any more meaningful.

Cool if OH let's you use YOM plates. I put a set on my '40, but they aren't legal. I have a actual plate, currently only showing on the rear, but an debating pulling it & tempting fate.

Corny, I know.

Thats why most sources use 0-30, 0-60 & 1/4-mile at a minimum. Enhancement. But the argument that ‘no one does max accel runs 0-60’ is just as applicable to 30-70.

dfelt : Some strange metrics in the charts you posted, such as 'number of PEV registrations per capita', which actually makes the 'success' look much worse; 3.04 / 1000 is a 0.003% ratio. Nobody draws sales analysis on a metric like that, it has no correlation.

So I was standing on a suburban curb, looking to cross the street. Otherwise I would never have noticed it, but an assumedly brand new audi A7 went by. It wore a rather striking coat of a silvery green color. I googled around, found nothing. I looked at audi's website, it's not a standard color. They have an option to check 'special colors', but the price was "$0" and none of them show up in the configurator. Either the site is screwed up, or there are in fact no special A7 colors. Would like to see that color again...

Of course, he's the corporate mouthpiece, drumming up investors (I assume; I have no idea who 'CJ' is). Of course he's going to say 'full scale production, snap-snap!'. Such remains to be seen. Again; corporate ability / efficiency is what gets product produced, not statements to the press.

No car is sold on a single statistic, so 0-60 is not more important than other stats. But it's an indicator of the potential of a car's acceleration, just as the cubic foot space of a trunk is an indicator of just how much crap you can shove back there... or the towing capacity of a 3/4-ton truck indicates that. Doesn't mean you have to use the vehicle to these capacities, ever. Which is exactly why Car A being quicker to -let's say 60 MPH, than Car B is not a deficiency for Car B. People seldom (and sometimes never) use their vehicles to their max capacity... yet still these stats effect people's consumerism. Bizarre, isn't it? Does '0-60' "need" to be replaced? Nope.

An EV isn’t a new thing, it’s the same thing only the mechanics (that 95% of owners never deal with) are different. While it’s true people are creatures of habit, the tangibles to an EV car aren’t the mechanicals but range ?s, charging location/time ?s, and purchase cost questions. Some very well may be waiting for a particular vehicle type, but cost is the number 1 factor. If a [Bolt] cost what a [Sonic] cost, their sales would likely be on par.

I get antsy watching TV and I hate commercials.

Horse: live animal that must be tended to, fed, housed, has very finite use cycle/ lifespan. IC vehicle: machine that sits in your parking spot, turns on when you press button, takes you & some packages some place at you discretion. EV vehicle: machine that sits in your parking spot, turns on when you press button, takes you & some packages some place at you discretion

I like serial killers.

This only sets up the legitimacy of a price increase for EVERY improvement on a vehicle, bar none. Compared to the Model T, the cheapest 2020 vehicle should be $498,000.

I specifically upvoted the chick above.

Well price has always been a market problem, with no signs of abating in the near future. But I disagree that it being electric is of no consequence; EVs are always compared straight to other EVs, and situations such as saying the $154K Taycan is going to compete w the $81K Model S pretty much proves that. Recall all the pieces comparing the Model 3 to the Bolt? Not if you bought a IC vehicle.

Let’s quantify that; how long DID it take to move to autos from horses, exactly? Because a ton of the general commentary I’ve read acts like the 1997 hybrid electric prius hasn’t had a 23-yr run to date and EVs were unveiled for the first time the day before said commentary was made. Look at the market share of hybrid electrics and electrics over the past 20 years thru 2019. An OPERATING cost reduction, not a purchase cost reduction.

WRT my comment toward miradart; the stated implication that EVs are going to have 90-95% of the market in “5” years is ridiculous & unsupportable.

Since charging costs are nearly unilaterally ignored, and MPG increases in IC vehicles really never had a direct correlation to MSRP, I question the equivalency of 20 more miles of range (Bolt) being a ‘cost reduction’.

I could see a case made for an EV bus costing -say- $100K vs. $70K. A fiscally reasonable & workable cost bump. But $250K? Why not make it $500K or an even 1 million each, since money is obviously of no concern? And to toss out "it saves on fuel costs" hoping no one with 2 brain cells to rub together will do anything other than smile & nod along is repulsive. At least be honest about it.